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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #30 on Jan 24, 2011, 4:40pm »		[Quote]
That sounds just gruesome, tod. They really need to be educated to what they are letting themselves in for.
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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #31 on Jan 24, 2011, 5:27pm »		[Quote]
The Powers that be try - year after year, but they are fighting a loosing battle. The call of the bush is stronger ( crikey, I almost said the 'Call of the Wild).......
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« Reply #32 on Jan 24, 2011, 5:52pm »		[Quote]
France has just about managed to stop genital mutilations of young girls in the local African community, but it took some very tough jail sentences to mothers and grandmothers to make an impact. Now at least most of the girls also know under what conditions not to agree to a family trip back to Africa, especially if it is to a village. Things tend to happen.
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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #33 on Jan 25, 2011, 12:09am »		[Quote]
Amazing how much cruelty there still is in different parts of the world, even today. At least now that female circumcision is out in the open and people are aware of it, measures are being taken to stop this horrendous ritual.

Tod - "call of the wild" gave me smile :)
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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #34 on Jul 11, 2011, 12:42pm »		[Quote]
Since the Dewani story has faded into oblivion on the pages of local newspapers, I was surprised to catch a glimpse of a headline in a Saturday newspaper last week.

The story reveals more of what was going on prior to the wedding of Annie and Shrien Dewani.
It seems neither of the pair was all that keen to marry the other in the first place!
Annie went ahead with the marriage simply because the wedding arrangements were at an advanced stage and she felt to back out would not only cause embarrassment to her family but inconvenience so many aspects of the wedding that she went ahead anyway.

Shrien Dewani still languishes in a British hospital under the inference that he is mentally not fit to stand trial in South Africa. Well, the police here are waiting for him and I am sure eventually the Brits will stop protecting this woos and send him to us. If they think he won't be treated with kid gloves after all the publicity, then they are just pandering to someone acting like a crybaby.

The whole thing smacks of the Jacob Zuma - Shaik saga where Schabir Shaik, a crafty wheeler-dealer, escaped prison on medical grounds:

"Tutu criticized Zuma's relationship with Schabir Shaik and the Gupta family.

"It may be that there is nothing to worry about with the parole of [Schabir] Shaik, but it must raise eyebrows when someone who was said to be at death's door is shown playing golf. It is worrying when his close relationship to the president is put in juxtaposition."

I reckon if Shrien Dewani does not face extradition he too will revert back to a 'happy chappy' enjoying life on the other side of the pond.

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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #35 on Jul 11, 2011, 4:26pm »		[Quote]
Now that News of the World is gone, we'll never know what happened.
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« Reply #36 on Jul 12, 2011, 10:55pm »		[Quote]
It amazes me how many times some (literally) get away with murder. I hope justice is served, it all seems to be pointing to him right now. It looks like to me, if can you get a good lawyer, who knows how to BS, jump through loops, you can get away with just about anything... :-/

Thanks for the update, Tod.
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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #37 on Jul 18, 2011, 5:21pm »		[Quote]
Our local news service has just reported that Shrien Dewani's exradition will take months not weeks as he professes that he will commit suicide in a South African jail. I did glean that a spokesperson for his mental state was of the opinion that he was faking mental stress but the judge had to go with the medical evidence presented to him and therefore more time has been granted.

I personally am of the opinion that the man is terrified out of his wits, and so he should be. It's rough in South African prisons - as it is in most prisons world wide (except Britain it seems).
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« Reply #38 on Jul 18, 2011, 5:34pm »		[Quote]
I always click here immediately whenever there is anything new about this case.

It's more interesting than the other South African story where we learned that Prince Albert of Monaco and his blushing South African bride spent their honeymoon in different..... hotels.
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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #39 on Jul 18, 2011, 7:03pm »		[Quote]

Jul 18, 2011, 5:34pm, kerouac2 wrote:
I always click here immediately whenever there is anything new about this case.

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I do the same!

Tod, it seems that he (like many before him), have found a way with getting away with doing really nasty things by claiming 'insanity' afterwords.
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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #40 on Jul 25, 2011, 2:30pm »		[Quote]
Browsing the Sunday newspapers before lunch my eyes fell on this headline: "Shrien Will Feel Right At Home".
I was soon chuckling away and thought if I paste it here you too may find some humor ;D
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/2011/07/24/shrien-will-feel-right-at-home

I knew just who they were referring to on Robert Hare's Psychopathy Checklist......... Yep, those are our so called 'leaders'.
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« Reply #41 on Jul 25, 2011, 2:35pm »		[Quote]
After reading the article, I had to go and Google some pictures of him -- he shouldn't go with the scruffy look. It makes him look like a murderer.
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« Reply #42 on Jul 25, 2011, 2:49pm »		[Quote]
Another paper bore the headlines "Annie's sister blames herself".

It reads:
"Ami Denborg rues the day she talked her sister Annie Dewani into marrying British businessman, Shrien Dewani.
Ami revealed that a few weeks before her sister was to marry Shrien Dewani, she had a long phone conversation with her in Sweden, in which Annie had expressed her doubts.
She said Annie had been crying and had thrown her engagement ring at her fiancee` and was not sure if she wanted to marry him anymore.

Ami Denborg told her that maybe it was just the stress of planning a wedding that was getting to her.
"That is what I thought at the time - If I could go back to that day I would tell her differently"

While Denborg did not go into details about why Annie was upset, the British press has speculated that Dewani was gay and led a double life and was a regular at London's gay fetish bars.
The Belmarsh Magistrates court has heard that a rent boy - who Dewani allegedly paid to have sex with - will testify that the 31yr old Dewani wanted "out" of his marriage."

Judgment on the extradition hearing is to be handed down on August 10.

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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #43 on Jul 25, 2011, 6:21pm »		[Quote]

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Cantrell said Dewani was also suffering from psychomotor retardation, a condition in which one's thoughts and actions are slowed down. Again, this is a typically South African attribute - albeit one found mainly in the civil service - and he will feel right at home.


;D Too funny.


Question is why did they have to get married in the first place? Was it an arranged affair? Based more on finances than anything else? And why didn't he have the balls to say, no I don't want this?

I have no sympathy for such cowardice behavior. People who can't live their live honestly, and commit crimes to cover up their weaknesses are beyond me. I don't get it, I guess.
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Re: Honeymoon murder in South Africa
« Reply #44 on Aug 10, 2011, 2:43pm »		[Quote]
Righto then! Today I am happy to announce the court judge gave the go ahead for the extradition!!!! YAY!! BUT, and it's a BIG BUT, the final decision lies with that sad woman Theresa May......and we saw her weak excuse for leniency yesterday morning about the uncontrolled scum on British streets at the moment :-/

If that woman denies the extradition I hope the family have got a back-up plan or appeal to a higher court so she can be overruled!

Deyana - It was mostly her sister doing that convinced her to go ahead and marry him - that's why she feels so terribly bad about the whole sorry affair.
NOW, What about the death of the family Dr. friend???? Dewani is suspected of orchestrating that too! I wonder if the police haven't got some inside information on what happened there.
It is suspected that the old man found out Shrien was gay and he murdered him to shut him up.
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« Reply #45 on Aug 11, 2011, 3:50pm »		[Quote]
All the papers today are screaming the headlines "Dewani Will Get A Fair Trial, says UK Court" and EXTRADITION - Annies Family Weep Tears Of Joy" were some of them.
I haven't read them yet but it will probably be about the appeal which his lawyers are going to put forward if Theresa May goes with the extradition.

We can all see he is not behaving like a breaved husband but rahter like a scared rabbit.
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« Reply #46 on Aug 12, 2011, 12:43pm »		[Quote]
Is there a clear and straightforward extradition treaty between the UK and South Africa? I imagine that South Africa does not have the death penalty, so that is one obstacle out of the way.
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« Reply #47 on Aug 12, 2011, 4:51pm »		[Quote]
I think that our system has ruled that he can be extradited, but there isn't much about it in the UK press atm.
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« Reply #48 on Aug 12, 2011, 5:08pm »		[Quote]
Yes, I believe there is but, it looks as if it's all up to the Brits to see it through and not place any stumbling blocks in the path of justice. All this talk about his mental state and suicide.......of course he's sick. Sick with worry that at long last the truth will come out.
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« Reply #49 on Aug 12, 2011, 5:44pm »		[Quote]
I admit that I would tend to worry about too much cultural sensitivity. Obviously he was in a bad situation if he had to marry someone even though he is gay. But since he was not in his ancestral country, he could have said no. Unfortunately, though, I think the UK cuts too much slack to the various ethnic groups. (But then, obviously I live in France which says that no matter where you come from, you must live by French rules -- there are times when that can go too far as well.)
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« Reply #50 on Aug 12, 2011, 5:55pm »		[Quote]
It's true...I think there is a general feeling of embarrassment (in an indignant sort of way) about our Imperialist past. We are a small country with a rather strange idea about our importance on the world stage ;D

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« Reply #51 on Oct 17, 2011, 2:42pm »		[Quote]
Some time back now, the extradition was given the go ahead but it's been very quiet since then.
I can't see him getting into the country unnoticed. Can't be too long now.
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« Reply #52 on Oct 17, 2011, 2:58pm »		[Quote]
Yeah, I'm just looking out to see what happens with this case too. So he will be going back to SA?
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« Reply #53 on Nov 14, 2011, 9:01am »		[Quote]
Yesterday was the first anniversary of Annie Dewani's death. Poignant memorial services were held by the Hindu community in Johannesburg and elsewhere. The Sunday newspapers ran a large article with photos. This morning it was mentioned on SABC2 - one of our TV news channels and featured a pre-recorded speech from Annies father.
The extradition hopefully will happen sometime in 2012.......
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« Reply #54 on Nov 16, 2011, 6:51pm »		[Quote]
It seems so far in the past now that I found myself thinking "only one year?"
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« Reply #55 on Dec 2, 2011, 7:53pm »		[Quote]
Only now have I read this thread with its many dubious implications.

Those who have lived in South Africa, LIVED in South Africa, may see things differently to those who know nothing of Africa.

Why are you condeming Shrien Dewani? why why...Open your minds folks if that's possible.
Would YOU expect justice if you're locked (or about to be locked) in a S.African jail ???? would you REALLY?

Omg...are you stupid or WHAT?
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« Reply #56 on Dec 3, 2011, 10:00am »		[Quote]
Yes Spindrift, those of us who live in South Africa must be stupid or WHAT as you like to call us.
We only go on facts from a court case which convicted two of the assassins, security cameras recording the pay-off and the newspaper investigations by their reporters in the field.
There may be personal opinions here to which we're all entitled , but to say that someone hasn't opened their mind because of their own conclusions is a bit harsh don't you think? It works in reverse too....
What I've said has been directly reported in our press.


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« Reply #57 on Aug 1, 2012, 3:33pm »		[Quote]
I came across a small piece in our local newspaper today about the Dewani Case.

It reports that a South African Psychiatrist is flying over to examine the mental state of accused Shrien Dewani.
Chief Magistrate Howard Riddle of the Westminster Magistrates Court adjourned the hearing until 18 September, for the doctor to examine Dewani and give the court more information about his condition.

The psychiatrist treating him at the moment said he was making a slow recovery but one damaging factor was his 'constant awarness of the court proceedings' said his his lawyer Claire Montgomery.

Well I could have told them that.....I am still convinced he is scared stiff to face the music. If he was inocent he would want to get it over with and prove to everyone he didn't do it. But that's not possible because he will crack under cross-examination I reckon.
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« Reply #58 on Aug 1, 2012, 5:04pm »		[Quote]
Some of these cases live forever. In France there is a case from 1984 ("l'affaire Grégory") that still manages to make headlines from time to time since the person who killed a 5 year old boy was never found, but anybody in the village could have done it, and the boy's father even killed his own cousin when he came under suspicion...
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« Reply #59 on Aug 10, 2012, 8:40pm »		[Quote]
I still don't know all facts so I can't really express an opinion about this particular case. Recently I was on Jury Duty here in the UK and altho the cases that I sat on were not murder cases, I would say that it's never straight forward. It's the job of the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty, it is not the job of the defence to prove that the defendant is innocent. If there is any doubt over the evidence at all...then they can't convict and the defendant goes free.

It must be dreadful for the family of the victim...not knowing really what had happened. I hope that they get answers and that they can lay Annie to rest.
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