PC in the UK « Thread Started on May 7, 2011, 8:14am »
This is a good example of why I resist most, but not all, forms of political correctness. It is anti-common sense and without resistance the authorities will get away with murder - more so than they are doing already. It is also a result of the 'sue first and think about it later' mind set that scares all those with responsibilities into over-reacting just in case.
Pathetic, mindless, weak, misguided and stupid people are those who react in this way. They need to be sent to re-education camps in the Siberian wilderness.
A deputy head sacked for allegedly manhandling a boy of six said to have refused to leave a school playground is to claim unfair dismissal. Another teacher was sacked and two teaching assistants suspended after June's incident when she was in charge.
......after being told the boy was refusing to return to the school building from the playground, Ms Ellis became concerned for his safety.
......two weeks earlier a man had been spotted performing a sex act close to the school
........she and another member of staff picked him up and carried him into the school.
(And another thing - she isn't a "Deputy Head" - that is the male version. She is a Deputy Headmistress. Nor is she Ms Ellis, she is either Mrs or Miss Ellis.)
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Re: PC in the UK « Reply #2 on May 8, 2011, 1:07am »
Ha -- that's exactly how I read it, Askar!
I had to read the article in order to understand that the women picked up the little boy and carried him into the school.
Mark, why can't she be Ms. Ellis?? And the term "Head" applies to either a man or a woman in this application.
And how do we know that excessive force was not used on the boy?
Those women may be completely innocent of any wrongdoing. However, they were fired after a two-day hearing, which could very well mean that there have been similar gray-area incidents in their pasts and that there was ample reason to believe that they were rough with the child in this incident.
« Last Edit: May 8, 2011, 1:09am by bixaorellana »
Re: PC in the UK « Reply #3 on May 8, 2011, 5:46am »
I read it now like they picked up the sex offender. I really must pay attention.
Excessive forced used on the boy - the parents made no complaint which they would have done if there had been so, the police were involved and took no action, which they would have done. There is no suggestion anywhere of excessive force, neither is there a hint of any other grey areas (and sufficient grey areas in both teachers' careers), which there would have been by now. Knowing the culture in the UK I can well believe the opposite of you bixa.
Can you imagine the kids calling her Ms? I'll conceded that Head may well be appropriate in this usage though.
You do not know to whom you speak. I'm from the southern US and long before the title "Ms." existed, kids addressed women as Miz this or that. Formally, it would be Miz (Mrs.) + last name, but in small towns, childred called many of the older teachers by their first names, preceded by Miz.
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Re: PC in the UK « Reply #7 on May 8, 2011, 10:54pm »
Those are boy sports. I was ace at note passing.
Mark, I really shouldn't say anything one way or the other, since I don't know how things work in the UK. However, from the news article you linked, there is nothing to indicate exactly what the women did, simply that whatever it was or wasn't, was not a criminal act.
Still and all, there was a three-month inquiry into the incident before they were fired/suspended. So, in the great spirit of where-there's-smoke-there-could-actually-be-fire, it's not unreasonable to assume that something took place that was against school policy.
Re: PC in the UK « Reply #8 on May 9, 2011, 5:11am »
The impression certainly is that all they did was pick the kid up and take him inside the school, but it does make you wonder if there is more to it - yet I can't really imagine what the 'more' would be, especially if the Police are taking no action when there might have been an assault. Possibly we'll never know though stories like this are getting far too common.
Re: PC in the UK « Reply #9 on May 10, 2011, 9:11am »
I always start from the presumption that there is more to this than is revealed in whatever the original source told the news organisation concerned. By definition, we are only getting one side of the story, as no organisation would discuss the details of evidence coming before an individual disciplinary procedure, especially if there's an appeal pending.
One has to ask, for example, - why was the boy "refusing" to come back into the school in the first place? What on earth was going on that led to so many other teachers being disciplined over the same incident? Where were the parents in all this? School governors can be no less barmy than teachers and some parents, I agree, but one should always remember that the process that creates "news" is not above question.
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You do not know to whom you speak. I'm from the southern US and long before the title "Ms." existed, kids addressed women as Miz this or that. Formally, it would be Miz (Mrs.) + last name, but in small towns, childred called many of the older teachers by their first names, preceded by Miz.
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