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« Reply #240 on May 12, 2012, 3:44pm »		[Quote]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1357_slavery_today/page2.shtml

http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_slavery.aspx
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« Reply #241 on May 12, 2012, 3:55pm »		[Quote]
Annie, what has your links got to do with the original article that Kerouac posted?

Are you saying that Pakistani/Asian men are now not only looking for local Northern white girls to 'groom', but they are buying slaves too from abroad?

Maybe it's best you make a separate thread about 'Modern day slave trade'. If that is what you want to discuss. Just so there is not confusion about the two issues.
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« Reply #242 on May 13, 2012, 11:38am »		[Quote]
K ....or anyone help me with the term " manga" please
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« Reply #243 on May 13, 2012, 12:23pm »		[Quote]
Here it is, lugg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga

Manga is the japanese word for cartoon/comics. But it refers to a specific style of cartoon.
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« Reply #244 on May 13, 2012, 12:24pm »		[Quote]
Deyana, I was only expanding on modern-day slavery and its meaning. It is linked to the debate that has been raging in this thread, but that's it.
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« Reply #245 on May 13, 2012, 12:54pm »		[Quote]
And how do you think it's linked?
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« Reply #246 on May 13, 2012, 2:08pm »		[Quote]
Deyana, please, I am on the side of justice for all and I stand for open-mindedness. Don't forget I am an immigrant, too! I am not against you. ok?
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« Reply #247 on May 13, 2012, 2:22pm »		[Quote]
Oh my gosh, annie, I never thought you were! I was just trying to understand the links and how they contributed to the 'Asian/Pakistani' article posted originally.

Arrh... but annie, you are a white immigrant, not a visible minority. It makes a hell of a lot of difference, to the mindless, racist bigots out there.

Anyway, all is cool, not picking on you or anything :)
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« Reply #248 on May 13, 2012, 2:42pm »		[Quote]
I can tell you that in these obtuse parts of the world I live in... I find myself in the strangest of positions.

Racists don't like the look of me ... until they find out my nationality - because they assume I am from somewhere else and they don't like that area.
But true, I have learnt to keep my mouth closed sometimes to keep out of trouble, whereas my "brown" friends (their own choice of word, there, reflecting their pride in their mixed backgrounds) have learnt to actually argue with their strong english accents to keep out of trouble with the same people!

Now, these links were an attempt at exploring the dilemma these girls find themselves in.
I personally do not think that once the grooming has taken hold, they have any say/choice in their fate.
I personally believe we need to work on two fronts there: primarily and most importantly to try and provide safe living conditions for all children, so they won't be in a position to be "groomed"; and secondly to ensure that the men who may be tempted to "groom" these children know that they have no hope in hell to get away with it.
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« Reply #249 on May 13, 2012, 3:04pm »		[Quote]
But just think about this, annie. You get problems from racist/bigots once you open you mouth and they see that you have an accent from abroad somewhere ( I assume they must think it's an Eastern European country, there is a lot of prejudice against people from there right now in the UK, due to illegal immigration etc. ). But you are okay once they realize you are from Western Europe

However brown/black/people of color have no choice, they wear their skin all the time, so they get pressure all the time from racists/bigots. Not only pressure but violence too. We all know this is a fact. They have no choice but to speak out, they can't pretend to be anything but what they are, or hide that fact, even for a second. They have to fight for fairness and what is right. Because the majority or them are good, intelligent, people with high morals who do the right thing.

Now back to this debate, it's a problem, but the number of men who are doing this is minute in compassion to the the whole of the Asian population in the UK. What worries me is that the papers sensationalize these stories way out of proportion and so create even more racism in a country that is way too much riddled with it already. I wish every Asian/brown person who lives in the UK would be perfect, but no one ever is. And I have to ask myself, even if every brown person in the UK was perfect, would they then be hated less by those who are hell bent on hating anyway?

I agree with you ideas about possible things about could be put into practice to help these girls.



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« Reply #250 on May 13, 2012, 3:47pm »		[Quote]
While I don't think that any of this discussion should be moved elsewhere, I'm sure that everybody agrees that the subject "expressions you don't understand" is no longer being addressed on this thread.

So I suggest that if you want this interesting discussion to continue, please make a new post at "Port & Starboard" and I'm sure that a lot of us have opinions about the subject.
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« Reply #251 on May 15, 2012, 9:12am »		[Quote]
If I had not been told what it was, I would have been really puzzled by "certified gluten-free oats"!

Acquaintances explained that often oats are grown in the same fields as wheat, in alternance, and that's all fine... except for the gluten-intolerant amongst us! So there are now farmers/businesses who ensure they don't grow wheat anywhere near their own products.
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« Reply #252 on May 15, 2012, 10:52am »		[Quote]
My question is: "certified by whom?"
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« Reply #253 on May 15, 2012, 12:48pm »		[Quote]
very good question, K! very good question... anyone knows on here?
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« Reply #254 on May 15, 2012, 3:03pm »		[Quote]
Certified by a bloke called Jeremy who lives in High Wycombe.
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« Reply #255 on Aug 28, 2012, 5:14pm »		[Quote]
have we done "lock, stock and barrel" yet?

I'm guessing it might have something to do with guns, but why?
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« Reply #256 on Aug 28, 2012, 5:23pm »		[Quote]
It seems to be related to "hook, line and sinker".
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« Reply #257 on Aug 28, 2012, 5:44pm »		[Quote]
I image they are considered to be 3 undisassociable elements.
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« Reply #258 on Aug 28, 2012, 6:35pm »		[Quote]
Well, maybe they CAN be dissociated from each other, but the whole package won't work without any of the elements...
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« Reply #259 on Aug 29, 2012, 3:40am »		[Quote]
Am I overstating the obvious by saying "lock, stock and barrel are all parts of a gun?"
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« Reply #260 on Aug 29, 2012, 7:54am »		[Quote]

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have we done "lock, stock and barrel" yet?

I'm guessing it might have something to do with guns, but why?



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It seems to be related to "hook, line and sinker".


It's a way of emphasising completeness. You might be able to get each part separately, but you wouldn't have a fully functioning gun or fishing-rod without all three.

Other gun-related expressions: "cock up" or "going off half-cock", which aren't rude, they just relate to old-style firing mechanisms; if you didn't operate them properly, you might get a "flash in the pan".
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« Reply #261 on Aug 29, 2012, 5:58pm »		[Quote]
I heard the term "dog down" used today for the first time.
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« Reply #262 on Aug 31, 2012, 3:23pm »		[Quote]
Not sure about dog down - perhaps the same as hang dog ?

As there is one tonight I had a eureka moment and now understand
" once in a blue moon"


http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/when-is-the-next-blue-moon
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« Reply #263 on Aug 31, 2012, 3:43pm »		[Quote]
Lugg, apparently "dog down" means to lock something down. It was used at work when some of my workmates were discussing locking just one side of a set of double doors. One was asked to "dog down" the left door so only the right door could be used during a particular function.
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A 'dog' is a usually simple mechanical device for fastening something and comes in many shapes and forms. The operative word is that it is 'simple'. E.g. a dog spike, known also as a track spike, was used to hold down railway lines. Or imagine in the kitchen area of a plane where the cabin staff keep the draws full of stuff - there is often a small lever that is twisted to hold the draw in, same as on a covered light fitting where you twist away a dog to release the glass cover to get at the bulb.
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« Reply #265 on Aug 31, 2012, 6:59pm »		[Quote]
That makes a whole lot is sense, Mark. Thanks so much for the explanation. Funny that I couldn't remember ever hearing that expression.
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« Reply #266 on Aug 31, 2012, 7:42pm »		[Quote]
You were never a mechanic. We were constantly dogging things down.

And utching things a gnats knacker.
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« Reply #267 on Aug 31, 2012, 8:09pm »		[Quote]
Though I AM mechanically minded. :)

I always wanted to take the shop class in high school, but "no girls allowed."
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« Reply #268 on Sept 7, 2012, 6:27am »		[Quote]
"I don't give a hoot."

What kind of hoot are we talking about?
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« Reply #269 on Sept 7, 2012, 6:35am »		[Quote]

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What kind of hoot are we talking about?


Any kind you like. Or you could use any other monosyllabic word that represents something trivial or unregarded that you couldn't care less about (euphemistic for something generally considered offensive - or not, as you please: so long as it conveys the right sense of disdain).
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