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Post by onlymark on Oct 11, 2010 15:46:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 16:44:29 GMT
I have watched people gobbling kushari so many times in the fast food places in downtown Cairo, but I confess that I have never eaten it myself yet. All of the ingredients are things that I eat, so it might be quite good.
Do you ever eat it, Mark?
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 11, 2010 16:54:45 GMT
Mark, I really appreciate those videos! I believe you reported on kushari, with pictures, back on old TTR. It looked like very good food, but I had no idea how to make it, thinking it was something all cooked together.
To tell the truth, I hardly ever watch a cooking video all the way through, because of the various irritating factors -- voice, organization, etc. -- in most of them. But I'm now an Amy Riolo fan. Not only does she have a pleasant voice, her presentation is useful for beginning cooks without being boring for more experienced ones.
This is definitely the kind of food I prefer, and I can't wait to make it.
(I skipped the beverage video, once I realized that she was making agua de jamaica, which I already know how to make.)
Would any bottled hot sauce do as an optional addition?
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Post by onlymark on Oct 11, 2010 17:16:55 GMT
K2, Thursday nights are non-cooking nights for me. So I always nip to the souk and buy the falafel type sandwiches or kushari, depending on what the kids fancy. So, yes, usually every one or two weeks I'll have a bowl full. Bixa, she does make it quite simple, which is why I said about the idiots guide. I'm not a fan of watching cooking videos either but she seems to be about the only one I've seen who makes it in the 'proper' way. On the karkade video she mentioned about how the drink was widespread and familiar in many countries, usually because it was brought from Egypt to Spain to the new world. You probably caught that bit.
With the kushari stuff here it is normally served with a small bowl in which is a blow your head off sauce. This you teaspoon on the top of the mix on your plate. I can't see any reason you can't splodge on some bottled hot sauce instead. One variation in some places is not to bother with the hot sauce, but sprinkle a pinch of chilli flakes on instead, for some reason known here as 'salsa'.
Kerouac, if you ever come here again I'll take you for one. It wont be a dramatic talked about for years dining experience though, it's as you would expect, just normal day to day eating stuff.
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Post by onlymark on Oct 11, 2010 17:24:33 GMT
My wife summed it up about an hour after having her first one. She said, "My God, I don't think I'll want anything to eat for the next week." A good one is filling and can lie heavily for quite a while. A portion to fill the average male, from my takeaway, costs 4 Egyptian pounds - 0.50 Euro/0.70 USD/8.70 MX pesos
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 17:27:57 GMT
I was looking at 'Google images' for an example to post, but there are so many different varieties that I simply could not decide which one was the most authentic, even though a number of them do resemble what I have seen in people's bowls and plates as I walked by.
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Post by onlymark on Oct 11, 2010 17:42:39 GMT
I've looked on there as well, but the pictures don't seem to do it justice. They just look like a pile of brown poop on a plate.
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Post by onlymark on Oct 11, 2010 17:51:03 GMT
Oh, the hot sauce, I've remembered, is called 'shattah'. I'm not sure if it is an onomatopoeia. You certainly say something like that if you put too much on your tongue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 17:57:38 GMT
They just look like a pile of brown poop on a plate. That is often what I have seen in the plates in central Cairo.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 11, 2010 18:52:35 GMT
I can't find a recipe for shattah, although did find one reference saying that it contained tomatoes and lemon juice. Doesn't this pique your detecting instincts, hmmmm? Stumbled across this. People in Cairo take their kashari seriously! www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/koshary-confidential review
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Post by onlymark on Oct 11, 2010 19:27:19 GMT
Shattah, as you read, is a closely guarded secret and comes in various strengths. Mainly, as far as I can tell, it's chilli and oil. I tend to use it sparingly as it can actually ruin the whole thing. The link is interesting and names the place I usually go to for mine, Tom & Basal.
One grab it and eat in your hand snack is Feteer Bel Asaag. Basically it's layers of filo pastry, chopped nuts, minced beef and onions. Best served hot, still dripping butter - and I'm sure has no calories whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 19:32:17 GMT
I am almost beginning to regret that another colleague was strongarmed into going to Cairo at the end of the month instead of me. This would have been interesting research. (Then again, it was only a 2-day trip, which would have considerably limited investigations.)
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Post by onlymark on Oct 11, 2010 19:52:42 GMT
Especially if you'd had to work as well.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 12, 2010 7:13:27 GMT
Hi Mark, I am so glad I watched those interesting videos - mainly because I wanted to see what the ingredients were. Karkade : Well, Blow me down if it's not something I came across only three weeks ago at a wedding!! They didn't make the punch drink but as guests arrived at the garden reception after the ceremony, we encountered a table set with ice buckets of champagne and in each long fluted champagne glass was a soft blood red hibiscus petal. As the caterers handed you a glass and topped it up with champagne the wine took on a beautiful rose tinge - as it does when ordering a Kir Royal. The petal being recently removed from its jar of thick red syrup stayed at the bottom of the glass whilst the champagne was being sipped. Needless to say, my curiosty got the better of me and when I had finished my first glass ( Oh yes, weddings always have lots of bubbly!) I removed the petal and ate it. It was divine! I then encouraged some of our table guests to do the same. We all agreed they were wonderful!
Now, in the video Amy strains the liquid and presents a glass of the Karkade. What on earth would she do with the petals? Don't say they are chucked away!??
Thanks again for the wonderful videos.
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Post by bjd on Oct 12, 2010 7:34:01 GMT
I first tasted karkadet this summer while working in Paris. We drank it cold and it is very refreshing when you are thirsty. Before I left, I bought a big bag of the flowers at Sabah.
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Post by onlymark on Oct 12, 2010 9:22:45 GMT
tod, they are are a cheap thing here and they are generally just dumped. There, I said it. What actually happens is that very few make it from scratch. You just buy the syrup and dilute it to taste, adding sugar or not.
bjd, in my former life I used to stay regularly at a certain hotel in Aswan. As I had groups of people with me I would always have to book a week or two ahead, via a phone call. The owner/receptionist knew me after a while and knew that I'd spent several days out in the hot desert prior to my arrival. As soon as I walked in the door, before booking anyone in or doing anything else he'd usher me into the kitchen, sit me down and give me and ice cold jug of karkade and say, "Leave them to me".
He'd then book everyone in, sort out their rooms and laundry and any other questions like where the bank was, internet etc, tell the group to meet in the reception at 6pm where they would meet their group leader again and it was free time up until then. He'd then return to the kitchen and instruct the cook to feed me whatever I wanted - and keep me supplied during the stay with ice cold karkade whenever i wanted it. Ho got plenty of money for us staying there but it was always a nice touch.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 12, 2010 16:06:53 GMT
Thanks Mark - Now I have another ingredient to add to my list when next in Paris! I can try and buy them here (Cape Town I'm told) but it will only be in the jar of syrup - and it's a very small jar!
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Post by tod2 on Oct 12, 2010 16:09:41 GMT
Forgot...Bjd, where is Sabah in Paris?
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Post by bjd on Oct 12, 2010 16:17:41 GMT
The one I go to is on the corner of rue Aligre and rue Crozatier in the 12th. I bought 500g of the dried flowers for 4 euros. There is a small one at 140 rue du Faubourg St Antoine, just around the corner, but they have a lot less stuff.
I thought I had spotted one elsewhere, but don't find it in the yellow pages.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 12, 2010 17:06:15 GMT
OK -just looked it up on PagesJaunes - I see there is a large one on the corner of Blvd de Belleville & 42 Rue de l'Orillon. I must have walked very near if not right past the one near Marche Aligre. Thanks for the reply!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 17:17:16 GMT
There's one on rue Marx Dormoy as well. That's my street, as you know.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 12, 2010 17:27:09 GMT
It's a pretty plant to grow, although it gets quite tall. It would certainly grow in the areas where Bjd & Tod2 live. That said, it's a pain to pick the calyxes, so buy them dried if you can. Depending on where one lives, jamaica/roselle can be found in stores catering to people who come from where it's popular. It can also be bought online. It's actually very good for you. Coincidentally, I recently recommended it to my mother for its diuretic properties without side effects. The medical part of this link is long & technical, but definitely worth reading.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 12, 2010 17:31:07 GMT
Wow, that's wonderful! Looks like I will be posting home several boxes when I get to Paris - Everything I sent via the post got through without being investigated this time. The largest amount of items were sachets of Yorkshire Pudding Mix from a make called Club House www.clubhouse.ca which is part of the McCormick group. Instructions are in French - and English thank goodness!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 6:18:10 GMT
I have a sudden craving for kushari.
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Post by onlymark on Feb 13, 2011 7:51:04 GMT
Maybe one day you'll have it. But it has to be in Cairo and not some poor imitation in any other country.
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Post by komsomol on Feb 13, 2011 17:22:45 GMT
elbow macaroni? that's okay?
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Post by onlymark on Feb 15, 2011 9:19:41 GMT
Use whatever appeals to you.
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Post by mockchoc on Feb 17, 2011 12:54:36 GMT
Tod, just saved the link you gave for the york puds. Thanks.
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Post by gertie on Feb 17, 2011 13:45:06 GMT
That hibiscus karkade punch sounds yummy. I was just reading about the many health benefits of red hibiscus tea.
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