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Living on a Greyhound bus « Thread Started on Aug 4, 2009, 5:28pm »
When I left the United States to move to France, I actually began my trip on a Greyhound bus, for the simple reason that I had crammed most of my worldly possessions into two footlockers, and the excess baggage fees if I had been flying would have been horrendous. Thus on a dreary February day, I boarded a bus in Los Angeles whose destination sign on the front said “New York City.”
Greyhound was quite famous for its use of streamline modern architecture in its stations, but by then, most of the bus depots were in their final years before demolition, slowly deteriorating with cracked windows and blackened corners where mysterious fires had burned. Homeless people slept on sheets of cardboard along the walls, doors were missing from the lockers, and the restroom was a place where nobody wanted to go if they could avoid it.
I remembered the trip as lasting three days, and that hasn’t changed, because I just looked at the Greyhound schedules on their website and the duration of the journey is listed as “2 days 17 hours.” Personal music players and video did not exist back then. You had to spend a lot more time with yourself in the old days. I obviously had some books of which I have absolutely no recollection, but I mostly looked out the window all day and all night.
I have always done that on buses and never get bored with it, even in the middle of the desert. I want to see everything.
Who takes such a bus? It’s exactly as you would imagine – mostly losers, from the looks of it, but also just some simple people – maiden aunts who wouldn’t dream of setting foot on a plane even if they could afford it, teamsters whose trucks had broken down in the wrong place, serial killers and runaways. I probably looked like a runaway because I didn’t look as old as my age (20).
Most people were not going the whole way to New York, but I’d say that most of them were at least going east of the Mississippi River. The bus crossed Arizona and New Mexico. I’m pretty sure we went through Phoenix and Albuquerque and on through Amarillo, Texas. I have a very clear memory of seeing Oklahoma City in the middle of the night and how much it surprised me. I was expecting an ugly run down place with probably tumbleweed in the streets, but it was all shining and gleaming and clean. Even the refineries seemed to sparkle with all of the lights at 2 a.m.
When we finally arrived in Saint Louis and crossed the Mississippi, I felt that the journey was halfway finished. It was actually more than halfway finished, but after so much time on a bus, night and day, day and night, with only 30-minute stops in barren fluorescent cafeterias every three hours or so, the miles just kept getting longer and longer. I forget what the name of those Greyhound cafeterias was, but I dreaded seeing them. The customers looked like a mix from the prison recreation yard and escapees from a nearby mental facility. In any case, they had an air of “belonging” there, and I didn’t. Oh, now I remember: Post House Cafeteria. Perhaps “Poor House” would have been more appropriate.
The people on the bus had mostly changed. There were lots of farmer type people who seemed completely normal and not creepy at all. The bus appeared to be an acceptable way to travel in the Midwest when you had to go somewhere 100 miles away. There were maybe only 4 or 5 people who had been on the bus from the beginning. We watched each other warily while nevertheless sharing a sort of survivor camaraderie, especially when dashing to the restrooms at the bus stops to try to freshen up. We were not feeling or smelling very fresh.
On through Indianapolis and Dayton and an unpleasant hour in the middle of the night in Wheeling, West Virginia, which was a stop where everybody had to disembark for refueling when all we wanted to do was sleep. I have held a grudge against Wheeling, West Virginia, all these years and I hope to get my revenge some day. Return and burn the town to the ground or something. But I’m pretty sure that the city has just about fallen apart all by itself since then, being in one of the most miserably de-industrialized corners of the United States. (Bizarrely, it has become a Hare Krishna center – I guess they have nothing better to do.)
The farmers disappeared by the time we arrived in Washington, D.C. and the bus filled with black people lacking wealth, shuttling between the big cities of the Northeastern corridor for reasons of their own. In Philadelphia, we stopped longer than expected, and then they told us to recover all of our personal possessions, because the bus had broken down and we would have to change vehicle.
I felt a bit cheated, because it seemed to me an exploit to take the same bus nonstop from coast to coast, and here they had suddenly switched buses on me, breaking the charm. It was not my bus anymore, just some sort of replacement bus that I had to put up with for the last couple of hours.
We arrived at the Port Authority bus terminal in Manhattan 2 or 3 hours late due to the breakdown, and I took a taxi to my hotel. It was about 11 a.m. The taxi driver was shocked at the weight of my foot lockers, because I came out of the bus station in some sort of magical adrenalin rush, carrying the trunks vertically by the handle on each side, looking like the skinny long haired kid that I was. The taxi driver was more on the order of “large muscular black man” and he grunted with shock when he started to load the first item into the trunk. “How did you do that?” he asked. “I thought they were empty!” He could barely pick them up. I guess we’ll never know.
I spent two nights in New York until going to Pier 90, home of the Italian Line (after having used the French Line’s Pier 88 for my childhood travels), and I sailed across the stormy Atlantic Ocean to Gibraltar, Naples and my final destination of Cannes. Not quite the same experience as the Greyhound bus, but just as full of lost souls.
The last thing I saw sailing from New York was the World Trade Center.
Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #1 on Aug 4, 2009, 6:52pm »
arrh...greyhound buses. You gotta love 'em (or not). That's quite a story Kerouac. I've been across Canada (and back) twice on one now. Not an easy ride....
I thought the last thing most people see when leaving New York is the Statue of Liberty?
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #3 on Aug 4, 2009, 9:55pm »
Great story, Kerouac!
One thing you really nailed was how at that time bus travel pretty much had no stigma in the middle of the country and the south. As a matter of fact, I was surprised that bus stations in the west had already gone into into their junky inner city decline at that time. I used to take the bus back & forth from New Orleans to St. Francisville in that time period and it wasn't yucky. 15 or 20 years later it was just as awful as you describe.
Most recently I've used that same route, although now you can only get as far as Baton Rouge. Gone are the days, so poignantly featured in various movies, when a soldier's last sight of home was the dusty crossroads where he boarded the Greyhound. The stops I remember, such as the one in my hometown, were usually at a little store or a filling station, the waiting area consisting of a bench up against the outside wall.
I took the bus right after Katrina and a couple of years after that. Because so many people were displaced and commuting back and forth to work, bus travel was now for normal people again, not marginals and crazies. It was pleasant being in a clean bus with everyone being civil. Reminded me of long-distance bus travel in Mexico!
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #4 on Aug 5, 2009, 3:11am »
Our last bus trip was from Siena, Italy to Rome. We had a Italian train pass and everyone who we talked to said don't take the train from Siena. You have to go all the way across to the east to a little town to make the train change. One train, a day, if you miss you are stuck. So, the son of the woman was really nice and showed us where the bus station was, helped us get tickets, followed us to the car rental place to drop it off and took us to the bus station.
The trip was wonderful, we saw a lot of the countryside that we would never have seen and arrived in Rome mid day, found our apartment and really had a marvelous time.
When you're chewing on life's gristle Don't grumble, give a whistle And this'll help things turn out for the best... And...always look on the bright side of life... Always look on the light side of life. Monty Python's Life of Brian
Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #7 on Aug 7, 2009, 3:27pm »
hwinpp, if you ever do decide to cross America on a Greyhound bus, make sure you make many stops (overnight stops) along the way, otherwise it's killing. I've done it both ways, and believe me, it's not easy unless you do.
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #8 on Aug 7, 2009, 5:50pm »
Back in those days they didn't (and I wouldn't have had the time anyway), but for the past 25 years or so Greyhound has been selling travel passes, such as "unlimited travel for 30 days" and I find that very appealing for getting to little cow towns and not having to do the boring driving myself.
Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #9 on Aug 7, 2009, 6:18pm »
To be honest, nowadays, I wouldn't use the Greyhound bus at all, (unless for short trips, where I really don't need a car). I actually like driving, and like the freedom of being able to get to those 'off the beaten track' kind of areas.
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #13 on Aug 10, 2009, 5:42pm »
I couldn't do a cross country again I'm pretty sure. Maybe. I'd certainly have to be in the right frame of mind. The last time I road a bus any distance was in the mid 90's from NOLA to Lafayette,LA. Just a jaunt down the road. There was a woman behind me snapping chewing gum and I almost strangled her. Thank God for her,she got off in Baton Rouge.
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #14 on Aug 10, 2009, 5:53pm »
One of my travelling partners told me about an overnight bus trip somewhere in China. Apparently the Chinese sleep very well on horrible overnight buses, but the rare Westerners do not. She woke up in the middle of the night and saw thieves cutting open the baggage on the overhead racks while everybody else slept soundly (or pretended to). They saw her eyes wide open (even wider than usual considering what she was watching) and she was a head higher than most of the other passengers. One of them looked at her and drew a finger across his neck, so she dutifully closed her eyes.
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #16 on Aug 12, 2009, 9:07am »
I'd have no problem on a bus, one of my (few) principles is to never be on public transport for longer than 6 hours. I only sleep on public transport if I'm on a train and have a sleeping berth. The days of 13 or 14 hour bus rides are over for me
I'd have no problem on a bus, one of my (few) principles is to never be on public transport for longer than 6 hours. I only sleep on public transport if I'm on a train and have a sleeping berth. The days of 13 or 14 hour bus rides are over for me
Interesting, HW -- that's exactly my principle. After six hours on even a nice bus, my brain & butt are screaming for it to be over. I've taken 24 hour bus trips before, and my mind skitters away from even thinking about it.
Re: bus theft -- I don't know any stories as scary as the one about the bus bandits in China, but I do know not to ever put anything under the seat. That seems to be the preferred target of bus thieves all over the world.
Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #19 on Aug 28, 2009, 7:22am »
re:busses in China
yes they are quite something but are steadily improving
my personal record is 42 hours on a bus that wasn't moving due to government roadblocks after a landslide (said roadblock consisted of two cops, two chairs, one table) and a 36 hour trip that was far worse (driver got lost, drove down a dried up riverbed, gave up stopping for meals in the hope that the passengers would vomit less and last but not least, bribed us into letting him keep on driving as it was illegal for him to drive for that long by himself)
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #20 on Aug 28, 2009, 8:00am »
Oh, that reminds me of a night on a Vietnamese bus. We sat on the road in the middle of the night for hours during a tropical storm. When we finally crept forward, we crossed a two-plank bridge that they had rebuilt in the middle of the night and the workers were standing down in the churning mud and actually bracing it manually with crowbars and other items as we rolled across.
Damn, I would have much preferred that they ask us to get out of the bus and walk across the bridge and meet it on the other side!
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #21 on Sept 3, 2009, 9:19pm »
Brave driver, brave bridge repairers. Nice, K2.
I have put in my time riding the old dog. Most recently I took it to Springfield MO a few years ago to visit my mother, no other public transport. When I boarded the bus, the only seat was next to a tall man who must have been a 350+ pounder. He was a kind soul, kept trying to hold himself as small as possible all those hours, but the extra flesh cascaded on over. I decided to relax and not worry about it, and the experience was oddly warm and comforting. I leaned against the window and slept.
Many of the riders were respectable working men, headed to truck driver school in Tulsa. When we pulled into a McDonald's parking lot in Rolla, somehow the smokers got the idea it was a smoke stop. Instantly the aisles were filled with men holding their packs and lighters. Mass disappointment when it became clear we weren't stopping. I seem to remember the bad old days when people smoked in their seats.
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #22 on Sept 4, 2009, 3:27am »
One time I rode Greyhound from Columbia MO to St. Louis, and sat next to a New Yorker who was on his way home from first ever trip out west. He'd flown to Los Angeles, was a few days into his trip back, and seemed blissed out in sleep deprived-related altered consciousness. He was so excited about seeing America rolling past his windows.
To get from Poplar Bluff, MO to Columbia into the 80's, you had to take shabby Continental Trailways to St. Louis, then hang out downtown for a few hours and catch a bus from the Greyhound station a few blocks away. Famous-Barr department store cafe made a nice bowl of French onion soup to help while away the time. The only time I briefly considered getting a tattoo was one of those interludes.
My great aunt Myra in the 80's would board a bus in Poplar Bluff, and ride all day then overnight to visit her daughter in Amarillo TX. She just took a book and some sandwiches and went with the flow.
One time I rode Greyhound from Columbia MO to St. Louis, and sat next to a New Yorker who was on his way home from first ever trip out west. He'd flown to Los Angeles, was a few days into his trip back, and seemed blissed out in sleep deprived-related altered consciousness. He was so excited about seeing America rolling past his windows.
To get from Poplar Bluff, MO to Columbia into the 80's, you had to take shabby Continental Trailways to St. Louis, then hang out downtown for a few hours and catch a bus from the Greyhound station a few blocks away. Famous-Barr department store cafe made a nice bowl of French onion soup to help while away the time. The only time I briefly considered getting a tattoo was one of those interludes.
My great aunt Myra in the 80's would board a bus in Poplar Bluff, and ride all day then overnight to visit her daughter in Amarillo TX. She just took a book and some sandwiches and went with the flow.
Back in the 60's and 70's, I also used to take the Greyhound from Columbia, MO to either St. Louis or KC, MO. I remember one unpleasant trip to KC where the bus took the mult-stop "River Route", which I did not realize until I'd bought my ticket, and the driver was especially surly when I inquired. The route took several hours longer than the direct.
That was the only particularly unpleasant aspect of short hop Greyhond travel I can recall.
The only time I briefly considered getting a tattoo was one of those interludes.
Great bus stories, Lola ~~ you really captured the bus-riding fugue state. Re: strange considerations -- I was riding the bus home to New Orleans from St. Francisville once, and as it pulled into the station the driver announced that from there it would be going on to Laurel, Mississippi, Jackson, etc. I remember dreamily thinking, "Laurel, Mississippi. Laurel. Such a pretty name. Eudora Welty lives in Laurel. I should just go on to Laurel."
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #25 on Sept 24, 2009, 10:50pm »
Oooh, Don Cuevas. Let's start mentioning names and discover mutual acquaintances. Does "Round Oak" mean anything to you, for instance? No, wait. Don't answer that. I remember the board at the station, up and to the right, that had all the departure times to KC and StL.
Wouldn't it be great to have caught a glimpse of Eudora Welty, or to have heard that soft accent? The bus not taken...
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #28 on Oct 14, 2009, 9:45am »
I think most Canadians shun the whole Greyhound option ever since that beheading a couple years ago... anyone familiar with that one? I personally took a bunch of Greyhounds last May, but only to fill the gaps where I wasn't able to be on the train. I backpacked across Canada with one of those 30 day train passes, but the train doesn't always come as frequently as one would wish, and I had no desire to be in Saskatoon for 4 days. My longest stint was 45 hours from Sudbury, ON to Saskatoon, SK and it was actually one of the best times of my life. The Via Rail staff seem to really love the train, and the people on the train are a type of adventurous people that aren't in a hurry. The beveridge car, the observation car, and the ability to walk around also greatly improves the voyage. We were sad to get off the train. I'd also recommend taking the train through the Rockies.
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Re: Living on a Greyhound bus « Reply #29 on Oct 14, 2009, 12:38pm »
Yes, I remember the beheading incident, but I frankly wouldn't expect that to occur again in any bus soon. In terms of the route across Canada, however, I suspect that the rail and the road are pretty much parallel, in which case I would prefer the train, except for the frequency problem.