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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 16:32:57 GMT
As in "I'm bored of commoners"?
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 22, 2016 16:49:01 GMT
So true. They are all off of their heads.
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Post by mossie on Feb 23, 2016 14:45:21 GMT
I think 'bored with' is the correct English. "Bored of" is modern lazy English
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 23, 2016 14:55:32 GMT
Rather like "would have" frequently written now as "would of"
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 23, 2016 16:10:16 GMT
Yes, Mossie! Yes, Mick!
It may be a side effect of people not reading and learning everything through what they hear -- or think they hear. An example similar to "would of" is the increased use of box instead of boxed. I first saw it on Amazon, which sometimes offers a "box set" of something rather than a boxed set.
This morning I found another example of confused use of prepositions: the comedian Rob Thomas apologizing for a racist remark he made in Australia: I was so ignorant to the situation ...
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Post by mossie on Feb 23, 2016 16:35:02 GMT
Yes, we used to be learnt proper like.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 2, 2016 3:59:25 GMT
And again! This is a Mashable headline ~ Leonardo DiCaprio was so excited for these Girl Scout cookies sourceHe was excited FOR them? Why not to? Why not with? Just throw in any old preposition. Sheesh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 4:02:47 GMT
This morning I found another example of confused use of prepositions: the comedian Rob Thomas apologizing for a racist remark he made in Australia: I was so ignorant to the situation ...Rob Thomas' egregious use of prepositions aside, he's a musician, not a comedian. We all know musicians aren't that sharp.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 2, 2016 4:09:16 GMT
I never heard of him until his remark landed him in the news -- don't know where I got comedian. I don't accept that musicians are dull-witted.
Perhaps poor Rob got some GS cookies and was so excited for them that he shoved his foot in his mouth along with the Thin Mints.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 13, 2016 2:10:44 GMT
Now this is not fair. A grammar discussion, and she has me craving cookies...
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Post by whatagain on Mar 13, 2016 11:13:01 GMT
I do agree. Plus, please in these discussions, tell us (me) what is the correct form ! Excited by ? (with sounds good to me, about ?).
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 13, 2016 16:10:31 GMT
Hee hee, my little Pavlovian friends! You are absolutely correct, Whatagain. Either excited by or excited about would be correct.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 3, 2020 15:58:57 GMT
Current events have made me wonder if the correct use of the verbs lie and lay has been lost forever.
For being in a supine positon: lie lay lain For putting down an inanimate object: lay laid laid
I have heard far too much on the news about people who laid down in the street.
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Post by bjd on Jun 3, 2020 17:02:25 GMT
I have noticed that too. Journalists are supposed to know the difference.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 3, 2020 17:07:52 GMT
Failing to use the proper verb form is getting ever more prevalent. The latest example is from the very stable genius who went to the best schools. When repeatedly asked if that was his bible that he was holding up in the famous photo-op, he replied: "We have a great country. That's my thoughts." Another common error: His speech made the crowd scratch their head. All those people and only one head?
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Post by fumobici on Jun 3, 2020 17:40:24 GMT
Current events have made me wonder if the correct use of the verbs lie and lay has been lost forever. For being in a supine positon: lie lay lain For putting down an inanimate object: lay laid laid I have heard far too much on the news about people who laid down in the street. I feel that, but common usage sometimes eventually trumps correct usage. At some point a consensus favors the common usages and the old correct way can even become an affectation. The way the future tenses in French or Italian are said today for example is definitely from bottom-up colloquial "pollution" of the prior "correct" forms. Latin, and probably all other languages, sometimes evolved in similar "coarse" bottom-up ways. Reading "lain" in a news report today would, for me at least, raise an eyebrow more than seeing the incorrect form. "Lain" feels literary or even archaic somehow to me—even though it is unambiguously correct.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 3, 2020 18:03:27 GMT
Oh, I know that common usage stamps out older grammar in many cases, but I don't think I will ever say snuck instead of sneaked unless I am tortured.
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Post by questa on Jun 4, 2020 0:27:06 GMT
Bixa, dear. In reply # 98, should you not have written, "I HAD never heard of him..."?
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 4, 2020 1:12:38 GMT
No.
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Post by questa on Jun 4, 2020 10:07:37 GMT
Very succinct ! I think it is the "until" which calls for the writer to use the "Had" and it is the verbs linked to a time element that are affected "I had not tasted haggis until last night" "The child had eaten supper before we arrived" "That dog has barked all morning" It is a hairs-breadth of difference in meaning and I don't think it worth the bother. As for bright musos...most I know are clever in many areas, painting, writing etc.
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Post by lagatta on Jun 4, 2020 10:14:20 GMT
I couldn't find what Bixa wrote. "I never?" I'd say or write "I'd never" (you would scarcely hear it). It isn't something I'd bother correcting in colloquial speech or writing. None of us are using Trumpisms.
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Post by bjd on Jun 4, 2020 11:23:36 GMT
For those of us old enough to have studied grammar at school, that's called the pluperfect. Indeed, one past previous to another requires "had" in the first verb. But indeed often left out in usual speech.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 4, 2020 11:35:15 GMT
Let's have a grammar fight! I have a big bag of old diacritical marks and a gun to shoot them with. (with which to shoot them)
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Post by onlyMark on Jun 4, 2020 13:13:50 GMT
You see, the problem I have with that sentence and the variation of it, is that to me it isn't clear if you are shooting them or shooting them. Are they the target or are they to be shot from the gun at other things. Is it clearer to say -
"I have a big bag of old diacritical marks and a gun from which to shoot them" ?
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Post by questa on Jun 4, 2020 13:35:02 GMT
As the old adage (duplication)says...that is something up with which I will not put.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 4, 2020 18:44:04 GMT
"I have never" is the present perfect tense. "I never" is the simple past.
Both would be equally correct in my sentence.
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Post by lagatta on Jun 5, 2020 22:39:31 GMT
I'd definitely use the present perfect there (I'm still alive) but it would be so slurred one would scarcely hear the difference and I certainly wouldn't bother arguing about it - these differences can also be regional, and there are far more significant ones.
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Post by fumobici on Jun 6, 2020 6:18:07 GMT
I've likely posted this in this thread already, but I didn't "get" grammar until I studied a foreign language. And I had *every* possible advantage.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 8, 2020 5:58:51 GMT
"Lain" feels literary or even archaic somehow to me—even though it is unambiguously correct. The English language is still surviving according to this headline from The Guardian yesterday -- UK coronavirus victims have lain undetected at home for two weeks
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Post by questa on Jun 8, 2020 7:11:22 GMT
Izint the Gaudien famuss for htis?
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