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Post by kerouac2 on May 11, 2018 11:37:55 GMT
Ketchup is another word from that region, although it has undergone numerous corruptions of its spelling and probably even more to its recipe!
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Post by questa on May 11, 2018 12:59:35 GMT
Indonesian and Malaysian are basically the same language. I was told that there are only 80 differences known between them. These mostly affect words from the colonial masters...Dutch in Indo and British in Malay. The common language is Bahasa (language) Melayu. I can rattle off to a Malay person and they understand me, but I'm not so fast the other way. It is easy to cheat a bit with many words and just say the English using 'si' on the end of the word. It works like our ending of 'tion'. The administrasi sent reccommendasi to komiti about permisi to make sanksi for korupsi
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Post by kerouac2 on May 11, 2018 13:42:58 GMT
I found myself looking up the date when Indonesian and Malay switched to the Latin alphabet -- it was 1901.
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Post by lagatta on May 11, 2018 19:42:01 GMT
There are of course Indonesian culinary words in Dutch, as there are words from several south Asian languages in English. It was a relief to find spicy items. Dutch food is terribly bland. Belgian food is so much better, in both the Flemish and francophone areas.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 11, 2018 19:48:14 GMT
I've been thinking about imported words to English which were widespread but which have already expired due to technology -- Walkman, mixtape...
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Post by questa on May 12, 2018 7:37:25 GMT
There are a great many words that are really the trade names of things. Like the Brits who hoover the carpet or were hoovering. These names follow the grammar like real words. Of course it only works if both speakers know the same trade names. 'Pass the spidol' "what are you doing?" "spidoling a sign for the cafe" (Felt tipped pen like Texta) Sometimes I felt thankful that the big multinationals' logos were on things I needed to buy. At least I knew what things were.
Oh... K2...Indonesian spelling is Kecap ( my spell check just offered 'kneecap')
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Post by mickthecactus on May 12, 2018 10:14:05 GMT
My Nan lived in Ramsgate which was the first home of the hovercraft.
She always called it the hoovercraft.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 12, 2018 11:19:52 GMT
Among trademarks that have become common nouns, one of the longest lasting ones is cellophane. Who would have imagined that a product invented 110 years ago would still be going strong?
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Post by questa on May 12, 2018 13:19:44 GMT
Cellophane is useful, cheap. easy to understand and requires no batteries.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 2, 2019 16:52:41 GMT
The newest word in France comes directly from English because a French word has not been devised yet.
Juicer.
This is a person who collects electric scooters in the big cities to recharge them. In Paris, they receive 5 euros per scooter (it takes 5 hours to recharge a scooter, and the cables, space and electric bills must be paid by the juicer). Juicers who hire other employees to collect scooters pay them 1.75€ per scooter. At the moment, most of these people are not getting much sleep because most of the collection is done in the dead of night.
Currently, there are about 15,000 scooters on the streets of Paris from 12 different operators, but it is feared that there will be 40,000 by the end of the year.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 2, 2019 18:58:07 GMT
Do English-speaking countries use that same term for people doing that job?
I only know "juicer" as a machine which extracts juice from fruits and vegetables, or as slang for someone who abuses alcohol.
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Post by lugg on Sept 14, 2019 16:31:19 GMT
Locally a new word has evolved over recent weeks. It's unlikely to enter common usage elsewhere though. The word is "beryl'd"
It refers to using a new green bike scheme called Beryl Bikes. So .... I 'beryl'd' across town today or I've 'beryl'd' 10 miles this week etc. etc.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 14, 2019 17:14:00 GMT
Well, it probably won't last forever, since the bikes in London are no longer called Boris bikes (I think).
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Post by lugg on Sept 15, 2019 9:13:30 GMT
Probably not and some hooligans are vandalising them already.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2019 19:08:01 GMT
It appears that English is lagging behind in a new term -- collapsologie in French, Kollaposologie in German. However, I think it is pretty close to survivialism in its details. It is the study of the complete collapse of industrial civilisation when water, food, housing, clothing, energy, etc., will no longer be available in the way in which we currently have access.
It implies a return to a sort of Mad Max way of life with of course the hope that there will be gentle ecological autonomous enclaves. We would have all laughed at such ideas not very long ago, but now it does not seem completely impossible in certain parts of the world.
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Post by fumobici on Nov 4, 2019 19:55:22 GMT
"Doomerism". The fond wish for the collapse of civilization, so that the "preppers" who obsess over preparing for various doom scenarios will be lifted from their marginal, sad, existences as losers, into a new meritocratic aristocracy of people who presciently stockpiled canned goods, weapons, and ammunition.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2019 20:17:03 GMT
Actually, this new term is a left wing concept, totally different from the right wing ideas of the past. There is absolutely no idea of an aristocracy, simply the disappearance of urban life and a regrouping of people into smaller sustainable villages. I dare not say that it is a hippie lifestyle, but it is a concept imagining how to continue onward after a collapse that is imagined for 2030 or 2040.
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Post by questa on Nov 5, 2019 0:12:43 GMT
"What did you do in the Cold War, Daddy?"
"Shut up, Junior, and pass me another can of beans."
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 5, 2019 3:36:53 GMT
a concept imagining how to continue onward after a collapse that is imagined for 2030 or 2040. It's getting harder and harder not to image such a collapse. I think the idea of survivalism in the sense of an exercise in learning how people managed in an earlier time is interesting and potentially fun. What bothers me about the prepper movement is the disturbing fear-of-fellow man paranoia that seems to be part of it, if not the driving force.
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 5, 2019 5:20:49 GMT
"Doomerism". The fond wish for the collapse of civilization,.... There's quite a difference between the fond wish for the collapse and just the belief, however absurd or exaggerated, that it will happen. You may say that there can become a wish, after the belief, so as not to waste all the things they've done to prepare for it. .... will be lifted from their marginal, sad, existences as losers, into a new meritocratic aristocracy of people who presciently stockpiled canned goods, weapons, and ammunition. As their fears may seem to be exaggerated at the extreme end of the scale, lumping them all together in a generalisation of that nature is also an exaggeration. It's like saying all people who believe in anything, in god or whatever, are of a similar character.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 12, 2020 12:35:06 GMT
It's starting to look like collapsology may be the wave of the future.
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Post by questa on Mar 13, 2020 1:13:12 GMT
After the terrible bushfires had completely wiped out many towns, and everywhere was just twisted piles of iron,I heard 3 times in different places the term "Mad maxed"...mad maxing etc.
.Reminded me of the term in Indonesian...Merambo ...to destroy completely, lifted straight from the movies and complete with all grammar changes.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 13, 2020 10:15:16 GMT
Very useful word. Wasn't Indonesia experiencing dire floods at the same time as your catastrophic bush fires?
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Post by questa on Mar 13, 2020 13:15:15 GMT
I must admit I was vaguely aware of them but my mind was with the fireys.
Jakarta was built by the Dutch on a previous city, Batavia. It was back from where the port was and a river curved through the mangroves for the fishing boats to come in. As the population boomed all the city rubbish built up so the poor folk built shanties on the newly formed "land".Now the river and mangroves are gone and the raft of shanty town has taken over many of the streets leading up from the remains of the river. As much of the "land" has nothing to drain it and when monsoons come, the lower third of the city goes under water. There is not much that can be done but they are building a completely new city on Borneo island in the Indonesian portion...Kalimantan.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 13, 2020 13:59:53 GMT
Someone has come up with a name for the generation after the Millennials -- the Coronials.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 20, 2020 11:37:56 GMT
And a term has been invented to describe how many people are reacting to the situation: "hindsight recrimination disorder."
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Post by bjd on May 20, 2020 11:46:12 GMT
And that means?
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Post by kerouac2 on May 20, 2020 12:53:43 GMT
It refers to people who automatically have to blame somebody who should have known better and avoided the situation. For example, the POTUS is blaming Obama, Bush, the Democrats, the CDC, China, Europe, etc. since absolutely nothing is his fault.
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Post by bixaorellana on May 20, 2020 16:41:37 GMT
It's a great term and could also apply to many adults who never cease blaming their own shortcomings on their parents, the political climate of their times, society, etc. etc. etc. In its extreme form, the term describes many criminals, since they're incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions. Oh wait -- the potus is a criminal.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 26, 2022 17:06:53 GMT
One neologism that I find interesting and useful is DOOM SCROLLING. It refers to constantly scouring the internet to find more bad news. I confess that I do it quite a bit.
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