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Post by onlymark on Mar 6, 2011 19:13:00 GMT
Any thoughts on the 'best' make or the most effective factor? It's not practical to stay out of the sun completely and neither is it to cover up totally. So an effective sun cream/lotion is often needed for those beach or pool times or when it is unavoidable. I am aware of the thread on Vitamin D and the adverse effects of not having any sun at all plus the conflicting medical theories about whether using it can effect skin cancers.
But for those times when you do? Have you a favourite?
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 6, 2011 20:33:20 GMT
I would really like to know as well. Also, is there an efficient sun cream that doesn't make you feel as though you're swathed in plastic? Some of them seem to coat and close the pores, making you so hot that you might as well have simply put on a long-sleeved shirt instead.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 6, 2011 20:44:54 GMT
It seems the main criteria now is the protection from UVA rather than UVB rays. UVA, the current thinking says, is more damaging.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 7, 2011 1:15:11 GMT
I like to use Coppertone. But not because of the benefits they claim to stop UVA rays, I just love the smell of it. I use it sparingly because I am afraid of burning the chemicals into my skin, it just does not seem right. I am a fortunate person as I do not burn I tan easily which is probably not that much better than a burn, but it is better. Also where I live we rarely get above 30C in the summer and when that happens I stay in the shade. Our nephew died last summer of a reoccurence of melanoma cancer that spread into his brain and he always wore a hat and spent little time in the sun. All I can say is moderation of applying lotion and moderation of time in the full sun. Cheers, Mich
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 5:35:44 GMT
My biological father died of melanoma way back in 1980, in the days when people already knew you should avoid sunburn but not many people thought that it would actually kill you. I was out of contact with him back then, so I know nothing about the details -- all I saw was the death certificate.
However, I have that rather delicate pale European skin such as was exported to Australia with devastating effect, so I generally avoid the sun like poison. If I know I'm going to be out in the sun anyway, I use a very high filter factor lotion, but I agree that many of them feel greasy and unpleasant. So I really just prefer to stay in the shade if at all possible.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 7, 2011 6:30:30 GMT
I am very careful about going out for any length of time into the sun and I must admit I've never really bothered too much with any form of protection. It is usually up to my wife to remind me. I always seem to feel hotter as well when I have it on. What I'm looking for is a lotion or cream that feels fine and offers plenty of protection, but so far I'm struggling.
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Post by tod2 on Mar 7, 2011 8:00:46 GMT
I know there is a high SPF non-greasy lotion or spray out there for you Mark! I haven't had to buy one in ages. I have a skin that burns red not brown so only expose it to very very late afternoon sun and only for 30minutes or so while having a swim. Mostly we swim at night. I see my daughter-in-law lathering my grandson in a thick white cream and will try and get the name of it and of course most importantly whether is feels greasy at all.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 7, 2011 11:04:09 GMT
I have such sensitive skin though. My face is like a baby's bottom (cue smartarse comments).
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Post by tod2 on Mar 7, 2011 12:53:37 GMT
Sorry Mark I can't think of one smart thing to say but have found this which (if you can get your hands on) may be the answer:
Garnier Ambre Solaire UV Sensitive Protection Milk Very High SPF 50 For Sun Intolerant Skin 200ml with Hydrating Complex And Vitamin E by Ambre Solaire 5.0 out of 5 stars (1) £12.99
Technical Details Garnier Ambre Solaire UV sensitive protection milk SPF 50 for the highest SPF protection for UV sensitive skin against sunburn and skin damage Garnier Ambre Solaire UV sensitive range is hypo-allergenic and perfume free so ideal for the sensitive skin. Light feeling milky and non-sticky texture, is easy to apply and quickly absorbed by the skin, leaves skin feeling moisturised while it protects
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Post by onlymark on Mar 7, 2011 13:55:53 GMT
That looks something about along the lines of what's needed. After googling it, it does provide some UVA protection and I'll look for it next time I'm in the UK as I doubt it'll be here. Possibly also is a range from Neutrogena called Ultra Sheer in different factors.
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Post by tod2 on Mar 7, 2011 14:13:28 GMT
Mark, I asked my daughter-in-law what brand of sun cream she is using on her and the kids. She said Tropitone with a Factor 40, which makes the Ambre Solaire much higher protection at SPF50. Also I noticed the Tropitone is a thick cream which will probably be much stickier than the "milk" promoted by Ambre Solaire.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 7, 2011 14:28:54 GMT
I'll still look in to it though. Ta muchly.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 7, 2011 15:38:41 GMT
Mark, what products are available to you where you are? That would make it helpful to us to advise you, perhaps we have tried them and now how sticky, slimy, or absorbant the ones available to you are.
Kerouac, my husband has that delicate European skin as well. I have to make sure he is covered in lotion, especially when we are out on the boat. The reflection of the water burns him quickly. Kerouac, I am glad that you did not have to see your biological father die of melanoma, (as any cancer does) our nephew suffered horribly.
So Mark, protect that baby textured skin you have! Mich
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Post by tod2 on Mar 7, 2011 16:26:07 GMT
Luckily, although I have a fair skin it is not as fair as my mothers. She can sit in the shade or under an umbrella and burn from the reflection of UV rays off water or simply from wind..
Now that we have found out you are fair skinned, tell me - do you also have blue eyes? I ask because this makes sunlight even more difficult to endure and you should always wear sunglasses to avoid cataracts.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 7, 2011 17:01:24 GMT
mich, there is very little available here, but we make fairly regular trips back to the UK, Germany and Spain. So we'd just bring something back from there, enough to last us.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 7, 2011 17:29:34 GMT
Mark, that makes me wonder what the rate of melanoma would be in that region? Tod, in my family most of us tan even in the shade of a tree or under an umbrella. We tan in the winter too, if out ice fishing on the lake from the reflection of the snow. When I was a teenager and walked about 2 klm. to and from school each day, my face was always tanned. My one sister has the blue eyes and porcelain like skin of our English ancestors. She always joked she was adopted. Cheers, Mich
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 7, 2011 17:40:43 GMT
Mich, that is so sad about your nephew. That Garnier Ambre Solaire product Tod mentioned really interests me. I've been happy with any Garnier product I've used. Looking around the internet, I found several mentions of sun lotion wipes. I don't know if they'd be good enough to replace the more conventional sun protection creams, but would probably be a useful thing to have on hand. Here are a couple of links: www.spwipes.com/ www.neaclear.com/sunblockwipes.shtml
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Post by onlymark on Mar 7, 2011 18:32:22 GMT
Wipes might be an idea but I still think a traditional lotion/cream would be the thing.
mich, skin cancer here is probably rife. It's not as if people can afford to buy the protection, that's one reason why the traditional dress is as it is, with a 'turban' type head wear. Plus obviously the colour of the skin does help.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 7, 2011 18:45:46 GMT
Mark maybe you should ask your wife if she ever bought any products where you are now or if they just came from the UK or Europe. I like the idea of wipes, have not seen a product like that here. While UVA and UVB discussions are near the top of summer discussions, I have to admit we spend more time talking about which is the best bug spray/lotion to apply. Black flies, mosquitos, horse flies, deer flies, the not so fun part of our summers.
This is why we were surprised Tyler got melanoma on his scalp, he always wore a hat outside, and when he was first diagnosed at 17, we could not believe that it was on his head. I do believe skin type makes a difference. Tyler was very fair skinned. Cheers, Mich
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Post by onlymark on Mar 7, 2011 18:52:45 GMT
mich, ask my wife? You're joking. It's me who does all the shopping (not that you'd know that). The only ones she goes in to here are clothes shops or coffee shops. We do get Nivea and Ambre Solaire though, but imported.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 7, 2011 19:00:43 GMT
That is funny Mark! ;D It shows I do not know you or your wife. I just assumed that she, like I, looked after those purchases. Cheers ;D Mich
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Post by cristina on Mar 8, 2011 5:19:41 GMT
Mark, As I live in Arizona, sun screen and water are equal to air. Per our dermatologist, any sun screen brand that is 15 or better and works with your skin is good. I have used used a rather pricey sun screen/moisturizer on my face and inched my daughters in the pricey direction as they've moved through their teens. However most drugstore brands are actually quite good. The biggest thing is to get in the habit of using a sun screen, all over, every day. As I'm sure you know, the worst desert sunburns occur on a cloudy day. When my kids were younger, I always used Bullfrog brand without any reactions- pool and sweat proof.. My children were all fair-haired and blue eyed.* Only after moving to AZ did I learn they were targets of melanoma of the eye. Besides sunglasses, how do you prevent that? *They are still blue eyed, but now dark haired....mostly due to nature.
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Post by rikita on Mar 9, 2011 15:18:28 GMT
i must admit i am never really careful enough. so i do burn every now and then... mr. r. is worse though, he lets himself burn on purpose because he claims that afterwards he gets a tan...
i usually use sun lotion with a high factor when i am not too lazy to put it on, but have no regular brand i use but just whateve i happen to buy when it gets sunny...
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 10, 2011 0:15:17 GMT
That's a dangerous practice Mr. R. has! Rikita, aren't you a redhead? I thought they burned just thinking about sunshine.
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Post by rikita on Mar 11, 2011 19:26:59 GMT
yeah but mr. r. likes danger, i guess. or well, he doesn't truely believe me it is dangerous...
yeah, i am a red head, but i don't burn quite as easily as some other red heads. also don't have the typical freckled face (just some slight freckles). i guess there are various red-hair types...
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Post by thill25 on Mar 11, 2011 19:59:30 GMT
As a fair skinned (red head at one time) surfer, I can guarantee that if you use anything with Titanium Dioxide you will not get burnt. I used Banana Boat "Surf", but I think it was discontinued. I use the SPF 50 on me bald noggin.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 12, 2011 4:49:44 GMT
Ohhhh ~~ you're lucky! Nothing better than having that glorious hair, but not the overly-sensitive skin.
Thill, if your product was discontinued, what are you using right now?
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Post by thill25 on Mar 13, 2011 15:22:21 GMT
Ohhhh ~~ you're lucky! Nothing better than having that glorious hair, but not the overly-sensitive skin. Thill, if your product was discontinued, what are you using right now? I bought a about ten tubes of "surf" before it was discontinued. The stuff i sssssssoooooo thick that it doesn't take much to do the job. It may have been rebranded by Banana Boat ..I'm not real sure because I haven't shopped for sunscreen in at least four years. Although, I'll have to soon because I'm on my last tube.
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Post by thill25 on Mar 13, 2011 15:36:22 GMT
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Post by onlymark on Mar 13, 2011 17:32:20 GMT
I'm going to go back and look at that closely. But initially half the stuff I've never heard of.
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