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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 15:39:52 GMT
Oh, it's been operating for more than 3 months now and it is really great. Funny that you should bring up this thread right now, because tonight I was planning on making a little report about one of the aspects of this new tram line.
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Post by lola on Mar 27, 2013 20:23:23 GMT
I'm glad to catch this, since I missed it the first go round. The T1 tram we memorably took in December, ending in St-Denis, was jammed in the late afternoon. I can see how the other lines would be similarly well-used. Looking forward to reports.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 27, 2013 23:20:16 GMT
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Post by lola on Apr 28, 2013 12:51:11 GMT
That's fun, lagatta. I'll have to take that tram if I get the chance. Thanks.
The time we took the T1, it was fully packed for most of our ride. It took me awhile to realize there was a carnet validator inside the tram, like when we were leaving, but luckily we weren't checked. We owe Paris two carnets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 7:17:10 GMT
I will obviously have more to report in the future.
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Post by htmb on Aug 16, 2016 12:19:09 GMT
Having all those pedestrians crossing the tram tracks to get to the market would probably cause problems, so using the old road tunnel appears to be a good idea.
I have found that, the more I have used the trams in Paris, the greater appreciation I have for their usefulness. They appear to get lots of use.
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Post by lagatta on Aug 23, 2016 12:54:04 GMT
For one thing, they are much easier for disabled people and parents with small children to use than the old métro system is. Even here, where our métro is only 50 years old, relatively few stations are universally accessible.
And of course, they relieve pressure on the métro system.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 21, 2017 17:44:39 GMT
The extension of the tram T3b continues along the northern rim of Paris. Still another 15 months or so before it opens... The new rails now extend beyond the official end of the Chapelle terminus.
The Roma camp is just to the right of this photo at Porte des Poissonniers. The name of the stop here is going to be "Diane Arbus" -- she would have found lots to photograph here.
The old petite ceinture rail line is in a trench just behind the metal fence.
Porte de Clignancourt will be a major challenge. I thought they were going to leave the underpass at the intersection, but they filled it in. There will be traffic jams.
Here are some of the names of the upcoming stations.
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Post by bixaorellana on May 22, 2017 15:21:36 GMT
Cool pictures and perfectly suited to the stop's name. Odd about the underpass, though. If they were going to put in an overpass, there'd already be signs of it, right?
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 30, 2018 5:56:51 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 30, 2018 6:59:34 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 30, 2018 17:05:36 GMT
Those people along that line must be ecstatic. Lovely to see all this up and running, especially as I just went back & looked at the "before" pictures. That construction work must have seemed endless to people living nearby & those who will be using the new part of the line. You probably said earlier, but how long is the new part of the line & how many new stations were created?
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 30, 2018 17:27:23 GMT
That's 4.3 kilometres and 8 new stations. Next year they will begin the preliminary work on the next section -- Porte d'Asnières to Porte Dauphine. That's already a bit longer than the initial plan which was an extension as far as Porte Maillot.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 30, 2018 17:44:04 GMT
Thanks. Since this report was started way back in April of 2011, it's not surprising that the initial plan needed to be expanded.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 3, 2019 16:34:29 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 3, 2022 6:55:38 GMT
The T3b tram line is now being extended from Porte d'Asnières to Porte Dauphine. That is beyond the central hotel tower in the far distance. imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8125/xsGPP7.jpgOnce you choose a side of the street, you have to stick with it. There is almost nowhere to cross. But I really wanted to visit this church from the 1930s (Sainte Odile). Maybe next time. One of the major tasks for putting in a tram line is to remove all of the old underpass tunnels at the main intersections. I used to love driving through them because they had the same tiles as the metro and it felt like driving through metro tunnels. They have already put in all of the new trees so it won't look so desolate when the tramway extension finally opens. Big mess at Porte Maillot because there will be not only the tramway but a new RER station for line E. At least another two years to go...
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 3, 2022 9:31:15 GMT
Just curious if there are enough trams already to take up the extra work or if they'll have to get a couple more. Also if the trams in use are French made. In Sarajevo there are projects going regarding the trams and trolley busses and with help from the EU some new trams are being supplied by a Swiss company. The trolleybuses have been ordered from a company in Belarus of all places.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 3, 2022 10:26:53 GMT
They'll add more trains as the line gets longer. Wikipedia says 9 more trains for the upcoming extension. On this line, the trams are built by Alstom, so they're French. I think that some of the other lines have trains by Bombardier.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 3, 2022 23:08:58 GMT
I'm a keen public transport geek, and have a special spot for tram lines. Moreover, I dearly hope that I'll be in decent shape for a return to Paris, among other reasons to see two of my dearest friends who are both over 80 (but in splendid shape, as of now). Not a couple.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 21, 2023 16:07:43 GMT
It appears that the new T3b tram extension from Porte d'Asnières to Porte Dauphine will be completed by the end of this year. Curious as always, I walked from Porte Maillot to Porte d'Asnières this week to see how things were going. Porte maillot itself which used to be a huge traffic circle with an inaccessible park in the middle is now just an unholy mess. This isn't because of the tram construction, well not much, but because of the RER E extension, which has been delayed. It was supposed to be ready by the end of this year also, but there was a little problem of an underground river pierced by the tunneling machine, and that was really a big problem. The had to use freezing machines to rigidify the whole area until they could put in concrete plugs. So no RER E here until 2024. The customers of the Hyatt Paris and the Méridien Etoile are probably outraged when they arrive. You can't even cross the street around here.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 21, 2023 16:12:15 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 21, 2023 16:19:00 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Apr 22, 2023 5:03:13 GMT
I went to porte Maillot by car last year and got stuck there forever... I should have read your report 🤪
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Post by fumobici on Apr 22, 2023 5:48:43 GMT
I went to porte Maillot by car last year and got stuck there forever... I should have read your report 🤪 You should ask K to come and get you out. When I was in Nice a couple of years ago, there was a tram line with similar construction going on and they had configured little gaps in the fenced off construction areas every block or so for passages so that pedestrians could still get across to the other side of the street.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 22, 2023 18:43:05 GMT
Here the passages are only about every three blocks.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 24, 2023 14:37:01 GMT
an underground river pierced by the tunneling machine, and that was really a big problem. The had to use freezing machines to rigidify the whole area until they could put in concrete plugs. That is pretty amazing! I guess people living by that construction for three years must feel despair at times, but new tram lines can only be a good thing. Yes! Figure out a way to visit that church. I want to know what the bridging portion is between the church & the adjacent apartment building. It seems to be a very shallow church stuck on to apartment housing. The Jewish center building fits in nicely with its neighbors.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 24, 2023 14:47:38 GMT
In terms of freezing technology, that is pretty common here because they pretty much have had to use it every time they have tunneled under the Seine (or any other river in France).
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 11, 2023 14:02:50 GMT
With my usual obsessiveness, I returned to see the progress on the tram construction. Is due to open in April 2024. Porte Maillot used to be a huge traffic roundabout, but now the avenue goes straight through the centre. The work site is a lot less messy now. This must have been a total nightmare for the Méridien hotel, which is the biggest hotel in Paris (1025 rooms). The tram stations are now mostly in place.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 11, 2023 14:12:48 GMT
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Post by htmb on Sept 11, 2023 16:43:36 GMT
You’ve been working in this thread for so long, there’s a lot of information here. I’m going to have to go back to the beginning and get all caught up. Your most recent pics look really interesting.
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