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Post by mich64 on Nov 30, 2011 2:53:44 GMT
I agree with your statement Fumobici including the part of the possibility of a "tiny evil cabal". Invading Iraq as a result of this terrorist act never made any sense to me at all. As an outsider, I have always suspected Dick Cheney was much much more than a Vice President.
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Post by onlymark on Nov 30, 2011 5:02:23 GMT
For a reasoned argument as to the cause of many things (or not) I suggest reading more of what is said by David Icke. At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George H. W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
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Post by fumobici on Nov 30, 2011 5:26:53 GMT
For a reasoned argument as to the cause of many things (or not) I suggest reading more of what is said by David Icke. At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George H. W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_IckeBoxcar Willie is the overlord of the reptilian overlords. Devilishly clever- hiding in full view. I'm sorry but I'll now have to kill you all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 6:02:33 GMT
Anybody who has read things like the Da Vinci Code or seen movies like Arlington Road or any of the Mission Impossible movies knows that the planet is crawling with secret groups and we are all under their control. So, nothing to worry about!
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Post by tod2 on Nov 30, 2011 8:43:08 GMT
I think you're right Kerouac - they are definitely clammed up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 10:33:29 GMT
Twitter must annoy them, though. All secrets are now revealed within 15 seconds.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Dec 4, 2011 17:01:20 GMT
oh how I've missed this forum.... ;D
I had an argument at work only last week with a colleague (reasonably well educated! which is worrying) who says that there were no moon landings, that MI5 assassinated Lady Diana, the twin towers were destroyed by aliens OR the CIA etc etc...I shall direct him here and set Mark on him... ;D
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Post by joanne28 on Dec 4, 2011 17:37:25 GMT
I have to say I have absolutely no patience with conspiracy theorists. I am not interested in all the JFK theories, don't think Elvis is alive and working in a 7/11, don't think Hitler escaped to Paraguay, don't believe in the Protocols of Zion and on and on and on.
The most annoying thing to me is that I always hear "Prove it isn't so". No, I don't need to prove something isn't so, the theorist needs to prove it is.
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Post by spindrift on Dec 4, 2011 20:02:00 GMT
Well I give credence to what Tod2 has written. What about the massive thick clouds of dust that swelled up from the collapse and blew through Manhattan. That was true dust if ever I saw it.
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Post by foreverman on Dec 5, 2011 12:17:11 GMT
It cannot have all turned to dust, did'nt they salvage enough steel from the wreckage to build a warship.................or is this just another conspiracy theory
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Dec 5, 2011 15:32:01 GMT
It's probably a good thing to question what we are told by 'the powers that be'....we shouldn't just accept whatever we're told. In the end we have to form an opinion based on the facts. Thing is, we don't always get told all the facts do we?...and that allows speculation and rumour to flourish.
If my loved ones had been killed in the tragedy then I spose I would be desperate for an explanation...but there may not always be one.
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Post by onlymark on Dec 5, 2011 17:04:49 GMT
Well I give credence to what Tod2 has written. What about the massive thick clouds of dust that swelled up from the collapse and blew through Manhattan. That was true dust if ever I saw it. Accumulated dust on the building plus concrete dust where it has been pulverised whilst falling - yes. Any other I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 5, 2011 17:10:07 GMT
Well I give credence to what Tod2 has written. What about the massive thick clouds of dust that swelled up from the collapse and blew through Manhattan. That was true dust if ever I saw it. You really think that they were hit by an orbiting ray gun?
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Post by onlymark on Dec 5, 2011 17:12:10 GMT
It cannot have all turned to dust, did'nt they salvage enough steel from the wreckage to build a warship.................or is this just another conspiracy theory Plus a number of reports telling of a mass of molten metal found in the basements.
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Post by spindrift on Dec 5, 2011 18:30:45 GMT
mick - I have no idea what you mean by 'hit with an orbiting ray gun'. I only mentioned that lots of dust from the towers was blown through the streets of manhattan. Orbiting ray gun? my goodness.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 22:11:43 GMT
I am computerless for the time being but,as soon as it gets sorted out,I have tons of comments to add to this thread!!! (I live with a 9/11 conspiracy buff,and,if I HAVE TO ENDURE IT,SO DO YOU!!! Unfortunatley,the music blaring in this cafe right now is making me want to blow the place up and turn it to dust!!)
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 6, 2011 10:43:28 GMT
mick - I have no idea what you mean by 'hit with an orbiting ray gun'. I only mentioned that lots of dust from the towers was blown through the streets of manhattan. Orbiting ray gun? my goodness. See #8 Spindrift.
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Post by foreverman on Dec 7, 2011 9:32:29 GMT
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Post by onlymark on Dec 7, 2011 17:49:55 GMT
I haven't got time to read it fully and take it all in. But from a quick view I'd be surprised if it goes against the universal rule that some of the most stupid people are supposedly the most intelligent. I'll get back to you though if I read it more.
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Post by Kimby on Dec 7, 2011 21:25:26 GMT
I scanned the latest pages and pages of conspiracy theory "documentation". These people need to: a. get a life b. get over it We will probably never know exactly what happened since so many who could tell us died that day. We also still don't know for sure who killed JFK.....
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Post by Ralph Kermit Winterrowd 2nd on Jan 1, 2012 22:23:07 GMT
I'm with you, Tod2. I wonder why "onlyMark" is so threatened by the evidence that Dr. Wood presents. (See post #13) No one has refuted any of the evidence she presents. If they could, there would be no need for ad hominem attacks or name calling. Post #8 by mickthecactus does a nice job illustrating what disinformation looks like. Thanks for the demonstration. You can always tell who is promoting disinformaton when you see a post like this. Dr. Wood has never made such claims and has only presented the evidence. The “orbiting ray gun” comment is intended to direct people away from looking at the evidence she presents. After all, why isn’t mickthecactus discussing the evidence, which is what Dr. Wood actually presents? That is why trying to associate statements such as “an orbiting ray gun” or “lasers from outer space” with Dr. Wood is essentially an admission that one is promoting disinformation. Also, those who promote disinformation like this tend to insert an “out” to claim ignorance if they are called on it, e.g. “(if the internet is to be believed)”. But the fact is, he is promoting disinformation and suppressing the truth. The intended result of this post can be seen in mickthecactus‘s follow up in post #42 where inserts the disinfo again saying, “You really think that they were hit by an orbiting ray gun?” And in post #46, he reminds the readers to go back to his post #8, again emphasizing the disinformation. This is how a cover up is managed. If what you present is not the truth, then you’re presenting a lie. No one has been able to refute what Dr. Wood has presented in her book. They cannot. It is only evidence. Those who wish to cover up what happened on 9/11 definitely don’t want you to read Dr. Wood’s book. It shows what happened and is irrefutable. Why else would there be such a well-organized disinformation campaign to cover up what Dr. Wood has presented?
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Post by onlymark on Jan 2, 2012 7:25:39 GMT
Oh for fucks sake. What a twat.
You think I feel 'threatened'? I don't think you really know what that word means. And how can you refute absolute bullshit? And why should I refute it? It is up to her to prove it - to prove what her theory is. At the moment she hasn't, she has offered what she calls 'evidence' that it happened. Evidence that is not backed up other that thinking that if you say it, then it is evidence, and true.
When you say - "If what you present is not the truth, then you’re presenting a lie." - works both ways.
Next - answer me the questions raised in the last full paragraph of post 16 and the last paragraph of post 25 regarding WTC7.
Then - does she mention, as stated by Tod, "evidence of directed free-energy technology"? If so, then in what respect? How does she tie in the destruction with the technology? What is the link? I've obviously not read the book so I'm sure you can help me with that as you appear to have done so in detail. I'm I right in saying she attributes the concrete turning to dust and thus causing the collapses because of this directed free energy technology? If not, then how does she account for it (that is if you accept in the first place that the concrete did turn to dust)?
At the moment I'm willing to play along with you, whoever you are. But if you come out with clearly unbelievable and ridiculous statements then picking fleas off my dog is a better use of my time.
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Post by onlymark on Jan 2, 2012 7:40:08 GMT
Oh I forgot Mr Guest, I wish to remind you that when you were in Court you lost your argument as regards motorists having no Fifth Amendment right to refuse authorized police requests for production of their vehicle registration and proof of insurance. I hope you are better prepared this time.
Also, I see you are coming from a position of strength when you come out with statements like -
"Ralph Kermit Winterrowd 2nd, gives or grants no jurisdiction or venue to this unlawful court. I protest, object and take exception to these proceedings, to the unlawful, illegal and usurpers of public office known as judges, magistrates, police, and clerks appearing to do justice. I also give notice of a special appearance, even though this is not a constitutional or legislatively created court. I am constant fear of my life, liberty, and property from police, troopers, State of Alaska and Anchorage, a municipal corporation."
Further - how did your case involving you trafficking in stolen and modified copies of "The Federal Zone" turn out? In fact, the more I read about you the more unbelievable you become. A vicarious/vexatious litigant more than anything.
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Post by tod2 on Jan 2, 2012 7:42:28 GMT
Hey Guys, Guys!! I'm not with anyone on this theory about the towers. I was presented with the book by an architect friend, who in turn was given it to read by another friend for purposes of looking into the architectural angle - materials used in the buildings, the consequences of fire etc etc on such materials, design of the buildings, again etc. etc. Never in my life have I ever thought about what actually happened - NOTHING in the slightest broadcast, print or mention has ever reached these far off African shores that there maybe, just maybe, some hokey pokey about the whole 9/11 thing.
I read snippets and it raised a bit of curiosity so I thought I wonder what other Anyporters think? Hence my post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2012 7:50:20 GMT
Don't worry, tod2, but just to be on the safe side, let's run for the hills!
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Post by bjd on Jan 2, 2012 8:00:52 GMT
Since I start on AnyPort by looking at the latest post, I read the end of this thread (Mark's reply to Winterrowd), which caused me to go back and reread the entire thread.
I must admit that my first reaction to this kind of conspiracy theory is the same as Mark's, except that my practical knowledge of demolitions, explosives, etc wouldn't allow me to refute the conspiracy arguments as well as he did.
Reading the entire thread only confirmed that first idea. There is no practical or symbolic interest in blowing up a small office building when you have just flown airplanes into two very large ones that seem to exemplify the power of the USA, and you are aiming for the Pentagon and wherever the 4th plane was going. Even lunatics and evil-doers have method to their madness.
When the fertilizer factory here in Toulouse blew up on September 21, 2001 (something that is mentioned much more often here than 9/11 with the court case still not totally settled) I heard people saying it was Islamic terrorism. My main answer was "Why bother? Nothing symbolic about chemical factory in a French city".
As for the dust, well, of course there was dust -- you just need to do a little DIY to see clouds of dust all over your house. Imagine how much would come out of nearly 30 year-old buildings.
And finally, questioning statements about something is not "spreading disinformation". It's questioning statements about something.
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Post by onlymark on Jan 2, 2012 8:17:35 GMT
tod, don't concern yourself. I am fully aware you just put it out there and that was it. I don't think you are a believer of the conspiracy stuff or not, all you did was as you say as regards wondering what the comments might be. However, if Mr Wittering-on-and-on ever gets to a position of power then I will join K2 in running for the hills.
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Post by PookztA on Jan 3, 2012 1:47:53 GMT
I completely agree, especially upon careful review of the evidence, Dr. Judy Wood's analysis is extremely thorough
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Post by frenchmystiquetour on Jan 3, 2012 2:13:21 GMT
I read this thread a while ago and don't remember all the details but I remember something about concrete turning to dust when one of the buildings collapsed and this caused some to think there was a conspiracy. Is this so (sorry, don't want to re-read the thread again)? I can tell you from my experience as a stone mason that concrete is nothing more than sand and water mixed with dust (lime, mortar, etc.). So when subjected to great pressure it is going to revert to that from whence it came, i.e. dust. Nothing mysterious about that to me.
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Post by onlymark on Jan 3, 2012 5:07:40 GMT
Not just the concrete thought FMT, she means the desks, chairs, office equipment, steel structure......... all of it. That's one of the things to me that is 'questionable', to put it mildly.
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