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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 6:04:21 GMT
Strasbourg has always been one of my favourite cities in France for a variety of reasons. For one thing, it is quite beautiful, but that isn't enough to make you like a city in itself. The people of Strasbourg are a major plus. They have been through so much, tossed back and forth between two countries, but they are friendly without being submissive. It is also perhaps the most ecological city in France, with the most bicycle use and a tramway system that inspired the other cities of France, when it cancelled plans for a subway system and proved that not only can you have excellent transportation with a tram, but you can also close off huge parts of the centre to motor vehicles and keep (almost) everybody happy anyway. And of course, Strasbourg feels very exotic -- so different from most traditional French cities with even its own regional language that is very much alive. So I hopped on the TGV Wednesday morning at Gare de l'Est and was in Strasbourg at little more than 2 hours later -- after all, the TGV goes 315 km/h most of the way, making it the fastest way to get from city centre to city centre from Paris. Air France will no longer offer flights from Paris at the end of the year, because it just isn't worth it anymore. Yes, I confess that I take the train in 1st class from time to time. If you book long enough ahead of time, it is just as cheap as 2nd class. In this case, I paid 35€ for the ticket. I can't imagine that the bubble was accepted easily in the municipal council deliberations, because municipal councils are generally quite conservative, and this is the most conservative region of France, but I can imagine two arguments that probably helped to get approval. 1. "Think of the weather in January and February" and 2. "The building is still there -- the bubble can be dismantled it doesn't work, no harm done." I have never had the opportunity to discuss this feature with locals, so I frankly do not know what their opinion is -- but I do know that they are generally in favour of anything that makes the bitterly cold winters more bearable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 6:27:16 GMT
In Provence or Languedoc, dual language streets signs are often easy to decipher in Provençal or Catalan. Not so to read the names in Alsatian if you don't speak German or Schweizerdeutsch (the closest language to Alsatian).
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Post by bjd on Sept 9, 2012 9:36:19 GMT
I went to Strasbourg several times when we lived in Besançon, but not since. That was before the bilingual signs.
I think I disagree about how nice the Alsatians are -- I have met a few people from Strasbourg and they are not the friendliest, a bit rigid. And a guy here who works for MeteoFrance was sent to work in Strasbourg for a year and hated it -- said his Alsatian colleagues would exchange jokes in Alsatian, acting as though he wasn't even in the room. Lots of National Front voters too.
All that said, Strasbourg is indeed a pretty city, with a magnificent cathedral. Quite Central European looking compared to most of France.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 10:00:53 GMT
I didn't say that Alsatians are nice -- I wrote that the people of Strasbourg are nice. Interestingly enough, central Strasbourg is the only Socialist nugget in the entire region, and it is totally surrounded by conservative extremist areas. For some reason, the formerly right wing cities of France -- Paris, Lyon, Metz, Strasbourg and some others have gone to the left in the last 20 years although these are the places facing "urban problems" the most -- the tranquil little villages all over France who have never seen crime or even an immigrant except on television are the right wing strongholds. (Bucking the trend is Marseille, which went from left to right, but apparently things will reverse again at the next municipal elections.) Anyway -- Strasbourg is located on the Ill River, which splits and surrounds the central part of the city. The same as a lot of people, I used to think that the Rhine ran along the eastern side of the city, but it is actually more than 5 kilometres away. The city limits technically extend to the banks of the Rhine, but it is all flood plains and industrial zones.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 10:27:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 10:43:34 GMT
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Post by bjd on Sept 9, 2012 11:22:56 GMT
Thanks for all this -- I had forgotten what a pretty city it is.
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Post by mossie on Sept 9, 2012 12:21:13 GMT
A very medieval feeling, and a very pretty place. So different from Paris.
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Post by lagatta on Sept 9, 2012 12:37:26 GMT
And different from the nearby German cities of any size, as they were all bombed to shit.
I presume Strasbourg escaped most shelling (though of course places can be rebuilt).
And wonder if there will still be a shuttle from Frankfurt Airport once the TGV extends to that city... I imagine there is a train or tram from the Airport to Frankfurt Station.
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Post by htmb on Sept 9, 2012 12:49:11 GMT
Lovely. Thanks for this report. I've often thought about taking the TGV to Strasbourg. Looks like there are many beautiful streets to wander.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 14:59:16 GMT
Some of the cathedrals of Europe have a large square or plaza in front to enable proper photography of the building. Others do not have this luxury. Notre Dame de Strasbourg does not have much space in front, but it also has a very tall spire, making a photograph even more challenging. The cathedral of Strasbourg was the tallest building in the world from 1647 to 1874! It is the second most visited cathedral in France after Notre Dame de Paris. During the period of annexation of the Third Reich, Hitler forbade Catholic religious services in the cathedral, because he wanted to turn it into a German national monument, since it was claimed by both the Catholic and Protestant churches. In 1944, the cathedral was severely damaged by American bombs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 15:38:26 GMT
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Post by mich64 on Sept 9, 2012 15:48:02 GMT
I enjoyed going through each individual shop sign, such unique ideas. The Cathedral is breath taking, the columns, stained glass, the carvings all so very detailed. A nice selection of menu slates as well Kerouac! We depart tomorrow for Paris!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 16:00:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 17:55:17 GMT
So, I went and bought my ticket for 9.20€. You have a choice of closed boats or open boats. Closed boats were immediately available, but I wanted an open boat, so I had to wait an hour (on a weekday in September!). I was quite impressed by the audioguide headphones on the boat. The commentary was available in 12 languages, including Esperanto, and on top of that, there was "commentary for children" available in 6 of the principal languages. And I also found the commentary to be more intelligent than usual.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 18:42:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 20:25:43 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Sept 9, 2012 20:26:10 GMT
Well, actually there are versions of Flammekueche and la Tarte à l'oignon alsacienne without lardons (pork), that go back to the longstanding Jewish community on both banks of the Rhine. But who knows what the Muslim-German family actually ordered.
See that Strasbourg Cathedral had been more damaged than I thought, though probably less than say, Cologne Cathedral (quite a long way downstream on the Rhine) or most of Frankfurt.
Je veux une tourte au Riesling!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 21:22:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 21:54:16 GMT
Significantly refreshed, I ventured out again as dusk settled over the city. I took the tram again. I specifically wanted to see the Place de l'Etoile area, where I had not been for a few years. The only thing that used to be there was the UGC cinema megaplex in the middle of an industrial wasteland bordering an industrial canal. However, I am well aware that no such company would build such a place in France unless there are all sorts of other development plans to attract people.
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Post by htmb on Sept 9, 2012 21:56:34 GMT
Kerouac, I'm still enjoying your delightful photo report. Did I spot an alligator in the last photo of number sixteen, or were my eyes playing tricks?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 22:01:19 GMT
We don't have alligators, just crocodiles.
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Post by lagatta on Sept 9, 2012 22:58:59 GMT
What is the odd little bretzel-wielding creature in the photo after the tram schedule? A strange little dog? Or a very shy and retiring small bear?
Did you have a nice dinner?
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 9, 2012 23:52:48 GMT
This is charming, lovely, & a great deal of fun. When I looked at the first section, before the boat ride was posted, I scrolled down pretty quickly through the pictures and noted something delightful. Kerouac, I don't know if you did this consciously or unconsciously, but the the photos are sorted subtly and beautifully into shapes and types! First there are the big curves of the train station, bus, bicycles, and tram lines. Then there are the upright flat facades of the buildings on the narrow streets, immediately followed by more curves of arches, turrets, and streets. There's a little break with the street signs, and then everything opens out into water vistas and riots of greenery and flowers. Another break with the relatively staid menu boards, then a plunge into the really glorious variety of the city. Huge admiration for this excellently organized, well photographed, & most interesting report! I recommend going through the whole thread once, then scrolling back up and doing it again to give everything its proper due. "the TGV goes 315 km/h most of the way" -- I keep meaning to ask about these fast trains: can you feel how fast they're going when you're inside? I love the way the tramway exchange looks in the midst of all that ancient brick. What are the very medieval buildings you show that butt up to the cathedral -- are they part of it? Gad, the cathedral itself ~~ so soaring, so gorgeous. Seeing the photo of it all destroyed by bombs makes the stomach flip over, even with the previous photographic evidence of it being intact now. Speaking of stomach -- those pastry shops! So what did you eat besides sushi & Mexican food? ;D The river does indeed look clean & what a lovely option to have boats to see the area. Of the many wonderful reports people have made on anyport of highly touristed places, this places seems to have the least annoyingly congested feel -- more as though everyone happily showed up for the same party. Well, I could burble on all day. So enjoyable & I really want to go there now.
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Post by htmb on Sept 10, 2012 1:17:23 GMT
I don't know about others, bixa, but I feel the accelerations of the TGV. I usually take some gum when I travel, as my ears tend to pop. Sipping a little wine helps, too. So, Kerouac, any idea why there'd be a croc in Strasbourg?
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Post by fumobici on Sept 10, 2012 2:13:16 GMT
This is a sumptuous report, so many beautiful scenes captured. I'd love to find myself there on an unseasonably nice day off-season when the tourist hordes have gone back to Germany. Probably not a whole lot of lovely off-season days though that far North and inland.
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Post by htmb on Sept 10, 2012 2:17:24 GMT
Kerouac, what a beautiful city! Thank you for this fabulous report. I am struck by the lovely architecture, both old and new. And I love all the beautiful flowers and greenery. Normally I might not be interested in a tourist boat, but it appears the ride you took, along with the nicely done report via headphones, was really worth the time. It appears that you had fabulous weather, also. The cathedral is amazing and would be worth a trip to see just on its own. I had always heard Strasbourg was a beautiful place. Your masterful photo report proves that to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 6:14:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 6:49:03 GMT
The next morning, there were still a few things I wanted to do before taking the train back to Paris, one of them being to ride the tram at random. I had bought an unlimited 24 hour pass for 4€ and I wanted to get my money's worth! And the Nazis destroyed it in 1940. They removed the organ and the furnishings, then the Hitler Youth burned the building. It was dynamited in 1941 to remove all trace of its existence. On the same site is now the 1980's Place des Halles shopping mall, but the tram and bus stops still carry the indication "Ancienne Synagogue." These giant attics were an architectural requirement over the centuries in Strasbourg, because the residents were supposed to stock as much grain as possible at all times "in case of war." They had every reason to believe that there was always a war in their future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 7:36:01 GMT
There was one last thing I needed to do, which I had not done since I was 12 years old. I wanted to climb to the top of the cathedral -- I would have done it the previous day, but I found myself facing a sign that said "exceptionally closed at 14:30 today." I have felt guilty about that climb at age 12 all of these years. My brother and I had spent the year in France with our grandparents, and then our grandmother was taking us back to America on the S.S. France. But she needed to get her visa renewed, and this meant a trip to the American consulate in Strasbourg. My brother had no interest in going (what a jerk), but I jumped at the chance to go with her. I think the train got there by mid morning and we went straight to the consulate. That lasted about 5 minutes, because they opened my grandmother's passport and told her "you don't need a new visa; you have a permanent visa." We had about 3 or 4 hours ahead of us, so we did a little tourism, heading straight for the cathedral. Strasbourg was a very strange city, because absolutely nobody spoke French in the street. They would answer you in French if you asked a question, but clearly it was not their preferred language. (That has changed almost completely now.) So we saw the beautiful cathedral, but that didn't take forever, and I saw "hey, you can climb the tower!" My grandmother absolutely did not want to do this. For one thing, she was 66 years old at the time, and for another, whenever she was on "official business" she dressed up, as people tended to do back then. So she would wear a pair of patent leather pumps that would absolutely kill her feet since they were worn so rarely. My grandmother, being the most wonderful person in the world, could not say no to me, so we climbed the steps. She was nearly dead by the time we reached the top. Luckily there were benches there. In the end, I think she was kind of happy to have done and to see the panorama, and she certainly would never have made the climb if I had not forced her. Somewhere in the family archives, there is actually an old 8mm film that I made of this climb -- even back then, I couldn't stop myself from photographing everything. And there are probably some colour slides from my Instamatic 100 as well. So, even though I have not yet reached my grandmother's age at the time, I knew that this climb would probably give me divine punishment for what I had done to my grandmother. That was easy! Oh god, I was so happy that nobody was following me on those stairs, because there was no place to pull aside to let anybody pass. I could hear a couple of people ahead of me huffing and puffing and asking each other "are you all right?" and the other person lying and saying "yes." Sometimes it sounded like I might catch them (ha ha) but I never did. When I finally reached the platform, I saw that they were at least 25 years younger than me, so I didn't feel too bad. How did my grandmother ever make that climb? I sat on a bench and allowed rivers of sweat to run down my body (you saw that the weather was nice and warm in Strasbourg), and this made me see how lucky I had been in my timing, because after about 5 minutes a school group of about 40 German teenagers came bouncing up the stairs with their teacher.
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