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Post by mich64 on Jul 15, 2013 23:33:32 GMT
Bixa, I believe I recall them saying there are only 6 jurors in Florida when it is not a death penalty case where then 12 are used.
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Post by htmb on Jul 15, 2013 23:49:23 GMT
Apparently one of the jurors, whose husband is an Air Force captain and father is an attorney, has signed a book deal to tell the reasons why the jury made their decision.
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Post by nautiker on Jul 16, 2013 19:51:46 GMT
htmb, your remark in #88 was very cautiously phrased - Mrs.Merkel couldn't have done better under such circumstances ;D
I really wonder what effect this case will have on gun ownership in Florida, it doesn't look as if carrying weapons in public got much headwind...
I like your version, bixa, as it sounds pretty plausible. I can only assume it was a situation that took a turn to the worse.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 17, 2013 4:45:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 19:57:32 GMT
France has been pretty horrified by the number of homicides in Marseille this year, which now stands at 23. Nearly all were due to drug turf wars with illegal weapons. Marseille is the homicide capital of France and has held this 'honour' for quite a few years. However, I read in today's news that Chicago has become the homicide capital of the U.S. this year with 471 deaths so far, 90 of them in August alone.
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Post by lagatta on Sept 2, 2016 17:03:43 GMT
Are terrorist murders not included in the homicide rate? Wouldn't Nice be leading so far this year? Though yes, I do know about the drug crime problem in Marseille.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 17:16:21 GMT
No, we are only talking about gunfire homicides.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 6, 2017 16:10:12 GMT
Wouldn't it be wonderful if this thread were outdated and unnecessary? That "now is not the time to talk about gun control" -- the official word from the oinkers in the White House -- is yet more proof of how the will and safety of the people are in the hands of powerful lobbies.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 6, 2017 16:19:32 GMT
Well, they are beginning to think that those bullet boosters and silencers might no longer be appropriate. Is that good enough? Or maybe just ridiculous since they shouldn't be allowing any items that require either of those devices.
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Post by bjd on Oct 6, 2017 16:30:19 GMT
I just saw on the news that those bullet boosters have been selling out. What are these people thinking?
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 6, 2017 18:08:12 GMT
To Kerouac: yes -- ridiculous and deadly!
To Bjd: they're selling out in anticipation of a ban on the boosters.
The asininity of it, the sheer illogic might just make all the sane people crazy too. Luckily they can then acquire narco-wars level weaponry and everyone can kill everyone else and we'll just start over.
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Post by mich64 on Oct 6, 2017 18:25:20 GMT
I watched an interview the other day where the reporter asked a person purchasing this booster "Why do you need to have this accessory for your gun?" The person responded "We are all going to need this for when the Japanese come and invade us so we can protect ourselves against them."
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 7, 2017 17:00:17 GMT
Well, that's a new one! I guess when you have a crazy "hobby", any rationale will do.
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Post by whatagain on Oct 8, 2017 16:34:52 GMT
I remember reading a police roman and the detective interviews a moron from a militia. The guy says Belgian army has or is going to invade Florida. The detective replies ' what ? The 3 of them ? ´.
Now I just threw away 10 bullets that were in my garage. Can't rememver how they ended up there.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 6, 2017 3:05:10 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 6, 2017 5:17:13 GMT
If small town people have to start worrying about what they thought were big city problems, maybe mentalities will begin to change.
I bet that some of the victims of this incident thought that the people in Las Vegas, capital of Satan, got what they deserved. Surprise.
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 6, 2017 5:25:45 GMT
The logic of the NRA and others that letting everyone carry arms so they can shoot back and stop these people seems to be working well.
The definition of stupidity is doing the wrong thing over and over gain, hoping you'll get a better result.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 6, 2017 11:18:39 GMT
You couldn’t make it up.
Trump says guns weren’t to blame for the mass shooting at the church.
Hello?
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Post by questa on Nov 6, 2017 12:42:40 GMT
I ask this without trying to stir up contention or theories...a simple question. Have there been any instances where the shooter(s) have been female? The only one I have vague memories of was a school girl whose story became the song "I don't like Mondays" by Bob Geldof.
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Post by whatagain on Nov 6, 2017 12:57:15 GMT
Yes. I don't like Mondays was the excuse a female gave when she shut peiple in a school. Wounded several kids and killed some adults as far as I recall.
The lady has been denied being paroled.
Is it when I say I just bought a Lee Enfield .303 rifle standard UK issue ? Dating 42 or 43. Superb rifle. Not gun mind you.
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Post by questa on Nov 6, 2017 14:17:06 GMT
Is it when I say I just bought a Lee Enfield .303 rifle standard UK issue ? Dating 42 or 43. Superb rifle. Not gun mind you. Apparently if a soldier called his rifle a 'gun' he was obliged to go about the base carrying his rifle and holding on to his masculinity while chanting: "this is my rifle and this is my gun This one's for fighting and this one's for fun"
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 6, 2017 15:09:24 GMT
The logic of the NRA and others that letting everyone carry arms so they can shoot back and stop these people seems to be working well. Yeah, "logic", right? Following the aftermath of the Sutherland Springs church shooting that killed 26 worshipers, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) said that professional security or armed congregation members might be needed "when something like this happens again."
"All I can say is in Texas at least we have the opportunity to concealed carry," he explained. "And so ... there's always the opportunity that gunman will be taken out before he has the opportunity to kill very many people. "As we speak, we've had shootings at churches for forever. This is going to happen again. And so, we need people in terms of professional security or in terms of arming the parishioners or the congregation so that they can respond when something like this happens again.And here's some background on Atty.Genl Paxton: Paxton is facing two counts of felony securities fraud, and a lesser felony charge of failing to register as an insurance adviser with the state.Source: www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-Attorney-General-Ken-Paxton-More-people-12333868.php#photo-14148891
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 6, 2017 15:56:35 GMT
Obviously, journalists outside of the United States will always analyse various events in their own way. Le Monde is considered to be the most serious newspaper in France, and its journalists came up with a few bits of information. -- This is the 310th day of the year, and there have been 377 mass shooting in the United States so far this year. This is still behind 2016 which had 477 mass shootings, 606 deaths and 1781 wounded according to the Mass Shooting Tracker. -- In 2014, there were 173 days without a mass shooting. In 2016 there were 129 days and in 2017 there have been only 109 days so far. -- 4.82% of the deaths by firearms in the United States (excluding suicides) are due to mass shootings. So it is easy to say that it is a marginal event when 12,600 people have died.
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Post by bjd on Nov 6, 2017 16:01:17 GMT
The French news emphasized that Trump's comment on the gun not being the problem but the shoote's mental health issues was made by a president who approved a bill getting rid of an Obama law about people with mental health issues not being issued with gun permits.
They also said that in Texas, if a gun owner is subsequently found to have mental problems, his gun licence is not taken away. They also quoted statistics about the number of mass shootings (more than 4 people shot at one time) in the States in 2017: 306!
All this explains why I didn't even read the article on the news today about this particular shooting. More of the same and nothing ever changes.
edited to add that I just saw Kerouac's post. I heard the news on the radio and may have the exact number wrong. But the year is not finished yet.
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Post by mossie on Nov 6, 2017 16:34:01 GMT
The old service .303 Enfield rifle was a very accurate weapon and could kill at a mile. When we were trained to use them we had to be able to hit a target at 1000 yards. I am surprise Whatagain was able to buy one, or had it been deactivated?
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Nov 6, 2017 17:20:23 GMT
I hate guns me. I find it difficult to know how to react when there are armed police in our shopping centres in response to 'terrorist threats'. It makes me feel like a hypocrite because they are there to protect the public. I just wish that guns were more difficult for people to get hold of...or REALLY complcated to use....Einstein level difficulty
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Post by mich64 on Nov 6, 2017 17:20:48 GMT
Sufferers of mental health issues must be so angry and frustrated by the President. People are going to become afraid (again) to seek help for mental health issues because they are going to be stigmatized.
So much good has been done over the past decade or so to educate people to seek help but I think now people will be afraid to.
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Post by tod2 on Nov 6, 2017 17:32:34 GMT
it'd be interesting to know if and how many of those shootings ever where stopped by someone with a gun (other than police)... That happened in this latest shooting I believe. The person that took the shooter out must have saved many lives. Even here in gun crazy South Africa, it is a very rigorous procedure to obtain a firearm. Those ligit ones are no threat. The problem is when weapons are stolen or bought on the black market. The person carrying an illegal firearm is the danger. Very few people actually discharge their weapons ever because if you do there are serious consequences. You have to prove it was in self de-fence. You are not even allowed to shoot a couple of bullets into the air. Every morning I watch my husband dress for work and the last thing he puts on is his gun.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 6, 2017 18:47:47 GMT
it'd be interesting to know if and how many of those shootings ever where stopped by someone with a gun (other than police)... That happened in this latest shooting I believe. The person that took the shooter out must have saved many lives. Even here in gun crazy South Africa, it is a very rigorous procedure to obtain a firearm. Those ligit ones are no threat. The problem is when weapons are stolen or bought on the black market. The person carrying an illegal firearm is the danger. Very few people actually discharge their weapons ever because if you do there are serious consequences. You have to prove it was in self de-fence. You are not even allowed to shoot a couple of bullets into the air. Every morning I watch my husband dress for work and the last thing he puts on is his gun. If they didn’t have such easy access to guns it’s likely that no lives would have been lost.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 6, 2017 19:53:58 GMT
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