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Post by spindrift on Mar 15, 2010 19:21:25 GMT
Photo 1...I think it might be a device for stabbing cattle through the brain in order to slaughter them. But you said only Photo 4 was animal related.
Photo 6 might be for embossing leather.
Photo 5 is a handy tool for clearing debris out of old narrow clefts.
Photo 2 is for making rubber moulds.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 15, 2010 20:27:37 GMT
Do you want the good news first or the bad news?
Good news then - nice to see you, and always is. Bad news - all your guesses are, well, unfortunately somewhat distanced from the truth. A bit like the distance between London and ------- Pluto.
Don't let my sarcasm put you off. Please try again if you think of anything.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 15, 2010 20:31:49 GMT
Photo 1 is military but adapted from an old building tool. 2. is for metal. 3. is strangely enough from a Bank. 4. is animal related, as said, but for a certain four legged animal (I can narrow it down further if anyone wants). 5. would be used during building. 6. is from a household, not industrial.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 15, 2010 20:32:44 GMT
And I'm off to bed soon.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 15, 2010 20:33:16 GMT
Good effort, but how shall I put it, errrr........ wrong(ish). Actually very wrong to be honest. But I don't want to discourage you or set you along the wrong path. The only one along the right lines is the mould thing, number two. But can you explain the process of it a bit more? How you would use it? You made me go first! 1. Some sort of map guide, that could be screwed down to keep the pointer in place? 2. I think the molds (we're looking at the backs of them, correct?) are for molten metal. The metal would be poured in, and in the case of the spoon- and shovel-shaped ones, be drawn or poured out as it cooled to make handles. The round ones would have the handles welded on. I suppose there would be some pounding afterward to get the convex shapes right. OR ~~ Perhaps that's not the back, but the working portion. A sheet of metal would be placed over a given shape and pounded to get the first step of a spoon or whatever. 3. Something to do with finishing clothing -- curling ribbons, or the like? 4. A castrating device? 5. a wood-working plane? 6. for stitching something round?
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 15, 2010 20:34:14 GMT
Aaaargh. I posted my answer, then saw that you were posting clues simultaneously.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 15, 2010 20:35:50 GMT
Okay, looking at my answers -- brilliantly submitted without the help in #32, I'm going to let them stand for the moment.
Um, except for #5 .............. something to do with plastering?
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Post by onlymark on Mar 15, 2010 20:55:26 GMT
Photo 2 - A sheet of metal would be placed over a given shape and pounded to get the first step of a spoon or whatever.Yep, it's called Swage block - www.swageblocks.com/what_is_swage_block.htmThe one in the picture is a bit more specialised and I put it up there as you can see the outlines of the spoons and ladles better, but they come in many shapes and sizes. Obviously used by blacksmiths. The circle of metal would be placed over the hole, the edges tapped first and working towards the middle to form a spoon bowl shape. Depending on the metal but it normally had to be annealed first to make it soft enough to work with and care needed otherwise the metal would split or form a fold as it is shaped. The handles can be made in may shapes and the edges of the bock can help form them. They'd then be attached by usually welding or braising to the bowl. Bronze Age Swage Block www.swageblocks.com/swage_block_gallery_d20.htm
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Post by onlymark on Mar 15, 2010 20:58:14 GMT
Sorry bixa, wrong with the rest. 4. is for a bull. Photo 5 tool is not for wood or plaster but a different material, used in building, or was. 6. The only thing that moves is the disc of leather that rotates.
Spinny mentioned embossing, but for photo 6. 'Embossing' is right, but for photo 3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2010 21:26:23 GMT
Jeez,am so confused as it is,and confounded. Maybe next go round do one object/item at a time? Or is it just me? (I do really like stuff like this though...we did something similar with something I had in my kitchen drawer and didn't know what it was.Naturally,Kerouac was the only one who ID'd a 'cake beater" I believe it was.)
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 16, 2010 1:12:48 GMT
"Swage" ~~ can't wait to use that in a sentence!
Is #5 a tool for laying wooden flooring?
These are hard!
#3 -- embossing leather for bookbinding?
Am I totally off about #1?
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Post by onlymark on Mar 16, 2010 6:37:44 GMT
casimira, one at a time is fine by me. I was just giving you plenty to look at in case there was one that rang a bell as they are from different 'fields' rather than all being from one small specialisation. No problem.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 16, 2010 6:49:19 GMT
Photo 1 is military, when you slacken off the top clamp the centre pointer can slide down to rest on the knob at the top and swing to react to gravity. It is a newer version of this - And is called - A Gunners level. It is used to determine the angle of the cannon so as to 'range' it. this old type of instrument was also used when the Pyramids were built to accurately find if a block of stone laid was horizontal. Previous versions used in artillery were placed in the end of the cannon, in the bore, but had the disadvantage of revealing the operator to enemy fire. This version is placed nearer to the breech end.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 16, 2010 6:56:33 GMT
Photo 2 is covered. Photo 3 was used in a bank or other financial establishment. It was used - To cancel cheques. When a cheque was presented and to avoid its further use for fraudulent purposes in some way there had to be a method to 'ruin' it but without particularly altering it. The cheque was placed between the rollers, the handle squeezed, the paper pulled through and it was then embossed in such a way that you couldn't flatten it back out again. A simple but effective method.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 16, 2010 6:59:10 GMT
Photo 4 - These are - These are horn weights for a bull. To keep bulls from seriously injuring each other when fighting, these weights were placed on the horns to make the ends point downward. They were also used to fix mismatched horns, where one horn grew slightly higher than the other. If a horn weight was left on for just a few weeks, it would easily change the higher horn's angle of growth.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 16, 2010 7:03:40 GMT
Photo 5 - Used as part of the construction process of a ***** before the advent of concrete type - Roof tiles. It's called a Slater's axe, used to cut, trim, and punch holes in roofing slate.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 16, 2010 7:12:52 GMT
Photo 6 - The leather disc is rotated by the turning handle, but first something is placed underneath the triangular shaped part and held by it and rests on the leather. It's a - Kriss Kross razor blade stropper: turning the handle rotates the leather disc, and after every two revolutions the blade holder raises up, turns over, and then lowers back down to hone the other side of the blade.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 16, 2010 7:50:21 GMT
Whew! Extremely clever stuff, but I'm glad you went ahead & told what they were. I don't think I'd ever have guessed. That razor blade stropper is about as nifty as anything I've ever seen.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 16, 2010 8:23:54 GMT
I'll see if I can think of one or two more, but in the meantime here's a free one to keep you going. Before rubber tyres and wheels were common you had ..........................? Someone had to make them and had to have tools to do it. He would've had one of these - And what did he use this thing for? - - used to pull a spoke into the proper position to enter the hole in the 'felloe' of a wooden wagon wheel -
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Post by spindrift on Mar 16, 2010 9:42:49 GMT
Mark - nice to see you too
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 20:42:49 GMT
Ok,I have one or two I am going to post...one I know the identity of,the other, I don't,or at least I don't know what it's it's used for. Will take photos of this evening...
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Post by onlymark on Mar 17, 2010 20:56:37 GMT
Looking forward to it.
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Post by Jazz on Mar 17, 2010 21:10:05 GMT
oh my god. an I.Q. test for 'tools'. Culturally driven.
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Post by Jazz on Mar 17, 2010 21:20:08 GMT
*hastening to add*...They are beautiful and intriguing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 21:47:34 GMT
I am useless with tools, but I saw a huge collection of these on a trip to Ethiopia once. They probably have the same things in Egypt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 1:15:11 GMT
It's beautiful,whatever it is. ( the tip of one end looks like a coke spoon :Ok guys,don't everyone guess at once!
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 18, 2010 1:51:36 GMT
Mark ~~~ is that some kind of a cooper's tool? The small arm goes into the notches to hold the larger one more or less open, yes? Is it to tighten the curved wood into a hoop around a steel hoop?
Jazz ~~~ if I'd given IQ tests to all the tools I've know before proceeding further, my life would have been very different.
Kerouac ~~~ is that a version of the Coptic cross?
Casimira ~~~ Is it for gathering something for harvest? Is a longer handle affixed to it, maybe to gather cranberries?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 2:58:21 GMT
I have seen contemporary models of it with longer handles but,not any of the old ones like this. No,it is not for harvesting cranberries or the like for that matter.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 18, 2010 3:29:48 GMT
Is it a de-thatching tool for turf?
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Post by onlymark on Mar 18, 2010 4:45:46 GMT
kerouac, it's not something I know but I does seem to have the Coptic cross on it so maybe something to do with a religious ceremony I suppose. Or a curtain tie in a Church.
bixa, you've not clicked on the spoiler then? But you're pretty close, it's to put the spokes of a cart wheel into the round rim.
casimira - the handle is of wood but the hook things are sprung metal? Something is hooked onto the hooks and the whole thing drawn backwards towards the user? Is it used in the cotton industry or generally in the textiles sector? Or is it for making rope?
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