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Post by questa on Mar 9, 2014 4:39:38 GMT
Malaysian Airlines MH370 plane missing presumed crashed at sea.
What's the odds on TWO men aboard with stolen passports, BOTH having managed to get through the security checks at the airport.
My condolences to all whose lives will never be the same again, and my encouragement to the investigators. get ALL of the bastards!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:49:05 GMT
It's unusual to have to wait so long for the next news... Even though debris and oil slicks have been found (in widely different areas) nobody is yet sure if this concerns the plane in question.
The fact that the two "stolen passport" people were seated next to each other is very intriguing. Nevertheless, I see no real reason to suspect terrorism yet, because in the case of kamikaze terrorists, you only need one on a plane, not two.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:56:10 GMT
On the Air India flight that crashed in 2010, ten passports were found to be irregular or fraudulent. It happens all the time, it's just the only thing that can be reported on while we wait for news.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 18:54:59 GMT
The last news I heard was that there were 4 passengers with fraudulent passports. And, the fact that there was no discernible distress signal sent on record certainly indicates 'foul play' no matter how you classify it. Clearly...more will be revealed...
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Post by fumobici on Mar 9, 2014 18:58:04 GMT
One must wonder though whether having people traveling under false or stolen documents isn't normal in at least in some areas of the world. People would not join up in boarding queue with stolen papers unless there were an acceptably low probability of being caught and detained. For any potential plan predicated on the use of stolen identity papers to have any real chance of working, either the processes of verifying papers must be known to be so broken that success is likely or the officials checking the papers must be involved. One imagines there might be good money to be made as an immigration official for making "mistakes" to order. I'd bet money having people on an international flight under a false identity is probably a perfectly normal thing to happen, but the vast majority of the time the whole thing passes quietly and unnoticed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 19:15:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 19:38:16 GMT
The evening news tonight still says 2 stolen passports. As for fraudulent passports, basically the Chinese and the Malaysians would have to check all of the names on the manifest to see if there are any other frauds -- and I'm sure they are doing that.
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Post by questa on Mar 9, 2014 21:30:25 GMT
You are all so right in your understanding of how immigration officers operate in this part of the globe. While in Bali I had to exit the country every 2 months, then obtain a new visa on return. This usually involved a quick return trip to Singapore. When the officials checked my passport they sometimes asked "what present I had bought them from Singapore?" I was perfectly legal but they knew I was vulnerable to their whims.
Back to Flight 390...if this is a case of sabotage, the question is "who"? It would be strange that "the usual suspects" would take out a plane from a Muslim country's national carrier.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 9, 2014 22:17:25 GMT
questa, I believe attacks by Al Qaida and other Islamic terror groups have targeted people in Muslim and largely Muslim countries as much as anywhere else. There have been many such murderous attacks in the Middle East and the Maghreb, and South Asia. I'm less familiar with attacks in Southeast Asia except for the Bali bombing, which targeted tourists, but obviously also killed local people.
Researching this, I see that there was an attack in Jakarta, which killed mostly Indonesians, except for one Dutch person.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 22:39:58 GMT
The French media are evoking the possibility of the Chinese Muslim Uyghur minority being behind the event.
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Post by fumobici on Mar 10, 2014 0:08:19 GMT
That was my first guess, assuming this wan't a simple aviation accident rather than a criminal act (I won't use the word "terrorist" as it's become stupid and loaded down with ridiculous ad hoc baggage).
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Post by questa on Mar 10, 2014 1:06:44 GMT
and here is me booked to fly Air Asia Airlines return Adelaide to Chengdu in China, and 2 internal flights with Sichuan and Air China. Do you remember my post some months ago that said that every time I book a trip trouble breaks out in that region?
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Post by questa on Mar 10, 2014 1:20:08 GMT
Beyond the breakwater / Ports of call /Places you have been / POST 43
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 12:06:27 GMT
It's starting to seem as though there might be a new Bermuda triangle in the South China Sea.
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Post by questa on Mar 10, 2014 12:39:57 GMT
Ummm, K2...wouldn't that make it the South China Sea Triangle?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 12:45:41 GMT
We'll just have to fly into it and ask it. It might be a franchise operation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 20:03:15 GMT
So, the plot thickens. Probably not terrorism, since the poor Iranian passport thieves were simply trying to emigrate to Europe. Just the fact that there were two of them made me disinclined to believe in terrorism in the first place. Generally, kamikaze terrorists work alone. Putting two of them on the same plane when the object is just a bomb in the baggage hold is a waste of a kamikaze -- one is enough.
Gotta keep looking and finally find something...
Bermuda Triangle®
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Post by questa on Mar 11, 2014 23:19:25 GMT
Even if innocent misfortune caused ALL the communication systems (3 radio and 1 transponder, I think)to pack up, why did the plane turn to the west and go +/- 500km before disappearing off military radar?
I would be thinking more of a hijack scenario. Looking at my big wall map, I see that the distance to Beijing is slightly more than to...say... Pakistan, Kashmir and Afghanistan. The amount of fuel carried would enable MH370 to reach these countries. However there is the over-riding hijack alert button that should have been able to indicate trouble.
Agree with you, K2, re one person for a bomb, but a hijack needs a team. I'm sure all the passengers are having all their affiliations searched minutely.
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Post by questa on Mar 12, 2014 7:30:33 GMT
Just heard that relatives are reporting to police that when they dial their missing relatives mobile phone, the phones are ringing out. No flat batteries and no apparent crash/water damage. What?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 18:30:00 GMT
Mysteriouser and mysteriouser. It's been a long time since there has been a case like this.
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Post by lugg on Mar 12, 2014 19:43:52 GMT
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Post by mich64 on Mar 12, 2014 23:56:19 GMT
The evening news reported that China has revealed satellite images showing large pieces floating on the ocean that speculators believe to be pieces of the plane or could just be ocean junk. The reporter stated that it is not unusual for ships to off load large items into the ocean.
Planes and ships have been dispatched to the area as it would fit with most of the experts original area to be searched before all the other theories started about the plane turning around.
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Post by questa on Mar 13, 2014 2:33:14 GMT
And this to add to the mystery...
"The officials also said that there was no reason to suspect the pilots, who were experienced and had passed all the checks that MAS applies to pilots.
This was in response to families bringing up reports that the co-pilot had let passengers into the cockpit on an earlier flight.
In a confusing exchange, the male official - was asked repeatedly by family members if military-grade radar had picked up the plane. Military air data and technology would go beyond the civilian ones, they said.
The official replied that the Malaysian military was assisting investigations "at a high level."
Pressed repeatedly on what information the military had given authorities, he finally replied that "now is not the time" to reveal it.
Some of the families shouted incredulously at this, but one man who had taken on the role of family representative said that they understood, and that they hoped Malaysia would reveal the information as soon as possible.
The exchange boosted theories among the anxious families that there are ongoing secret negotiations with terrorists who had hijacked the plane. Adding to this was the official's earlier statement that Malaysia hopes that the passengers are alive.
The families also handed the number of a passenger's cellphone that has been ringing until today to the envoy, and beseeched Datuk Iskandar for a straight answer on the ringing phones. Whether the plane is on land or whether the passengers had just linked their cellphones to transfer to other numbers if unanswered, they wanted a clear reply, they said."
rchang@sph.com.sg
I have edited out a few irrelevant words.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 6:53:18 GMT
Now they're saying that if those big chunks of debris really exist, they are too big to be part of a B-777.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 13, 2014 17:12:28 GMT
I heard a report that the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the engines are made by Rolls Royce and as long as the engines are running they are sending out reports on how they are running and that sources are saying that they were running for 4 hours after the flight was last spotted on radar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 17:31:59 GMT
I think that people may have watched that series "Lost" too much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 10:54:59 GMT
Among the conspiracy theories currently in circulation:
-- hijacked to an abandoned Vietnamese airport -- hijacked to North Korea -- flight destroyed to promote the makers of biometric passports -- rift in the space-time continuum
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 18:04:06 GMT
-- A really small Rapture
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 18:27:56 GMT
The new secret landing zone has become the Andaman and Nicobar islands.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 14, 2014 22:03:16 GMT
Breaking News - The plane either went north or south.
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