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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 22:09:57 GMT
It took them 6 days to find the Rio-Paris Air France flight. So far, this is 7 days...
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Post by questa on Mar 14, 2014 22:13:28 GMT
North or South of what point?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 7:02:49 GMT
The plane flew for SEVEN hours after the radar was turned off?
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Post by questa on Mar 15, 2014 9:58:13 GMT
The PM of Malaysia is calling it a hijack by people able to fly the plane
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Post by bjd on Mar 15, 2014 13:18:49 GMT
I heard on the news that they are investigating the pilot and copilot.
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Post by lugg on Mar 15, 2014 18:45:08 GMT
It's hard to imagine the emotional roller coaster that the families and friends of those on board are experiencing as the uncertainty and media reporting continues.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 22:33:35 GMT
I have been thinking about the families as well. With so many wild theories in progress, it is not even possible to be certain that everybody is dead.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 15, 2014 22:54:53 GMT
Sorry Questa, what I meant was at that point last night they were reporting there was a new north south range area released from radar ping information and that it was on the west side of Malaysia where the plane either went north or south from there.
I can not imagine how the families are coping with the news channels speculating 24 hours a day.
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Post by questa on Mar 15, 2014 23:04:57 GMT
The fact that the aircraft - if it was MH370 - had lost contact with air traffic control and was invisible to civilian radar suggested someone on board had turned off its communication systems, the first two sources said. They also gave new details on the direction in which the unidentified aircraft was heading - following aviation corridors identified on maps used by pilots as N571 and P628. These routes are taken by commercial planes flying from Southeast Asia to the Middle East or Europe and can be found in public documents issued by regional aviation authorities. In a far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, the first two sources said the last confirmed position of MH370 was at 10,600 metres about 145 kilometres off the east coast of Malaysia, heading towards Vietnam, near a navigational waypoint called "Igari". The time was 1.21am. The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called "Vampi", northeast of Indonesia's Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East. From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called "Gival", south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called "Igrex", on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe. The time was then 2.15am. That is the same time given by the air force chief on Wednesday, who gave no information on that plane's possible direction. The sources said Malaysia was requesting raw radar data from neighbours Thailand, Indonesia and India, which has a naval base in the Andaman Islands. Reuters It seems a lot of manoeuvring if the pilot is just planning to ditch in the sea. He had to be aiming at some destination to land, surely. Well his fuel would have run out by days so where did they go? There has been no claim of responsibility from any of the groups capable of this action. I can't believe a suicidal pilot would fly in such an orderly pattern for so long without other crew intervening.Read more: www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-may-have-been-deliberately-diverted-to-andaman-islands-20140314-34sp1.html#ixzz2w4gzfUaW |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 23:18:42 GMT
Indeed, it now seems clear that the plane was definitely going somewhere. But it is nearly certain that it never managed to arrive.
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Post by anshjain97 on Mar 16, 2014 15:13:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 17:42:43 GMT
The Hollywood script writers must be going crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 18:25:13 GMT
You know what, though? How are they going to find that many Asian actors to cast in it? There aren't enough Asian A-listers. I suppose they could take the few white people on the flight and tell their story. Much like they did with the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, filmed from the perspective of Naomi Watts and Ewan McGregor in The Impossible.
Sorry, Hollywood's whitewashing of history gripes me. A lot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 18:48:36 GMT
Oh, there would certainly be parts for Michelle Yeoh, John Lone, Jet Li, Takeshi Kitano, Maggie Cheung, Andy Lau, Chow Yun-Fat and a number of others. I might have to pass on it if it stars Jackie Chan, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 18:53:41 GMT
They're still going to need some steely-jawed Americans (Mark Wahlberg? Matt Damon?) to be CIA types, airtraffic controllers, what have you. Or maybe Michael Caine as a Brit expat conspiracy theorist, living as a hermit in Thailand, who saw some mysterious flash in the sky.
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Post by bjd on Mar 16, 2014 19:15:16 GMT
As long as the bad guys have British accents, all will be right with the world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 19:48:56 GMT
On the Huffington Post:
Sounds like there's a role in there for someone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 20:00:50 GMT
If the plane is never found, it is going to make a GREAT movie. Reality will always be more disappointing, though.
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Post by questa on Mar 16, 2014 22:01:58 GMT
Of course it is also a nifty way of checking out your region's radar capabilities as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 22:28:42 GMT
It's so strange how this case becomes so abstract as the days go by. What we first saw as a horrible tragedy is now becoming just a mystery with wild and even comedic possibilities. Unless some of the wilder theories turn out to be true, it is indeed a horrible tragedy, and I cannot even imagine the grief of the families. The closest I ever came to such a situation was a "what would have happened if..." event. My first job in Paris was at a student travel agency, and at a certain point, I passed up the possibility of a job at Transamerica Airlines, which was a major charter carrier in the 1970's. The job was the be the 'right hand man' of the manager of the Paris office. I just preferred to stay in what seemed to be a stable office job rather than taking a leap into the unknown. About three months later, the Transamerica manager and his assistant were on Turkish Airlines flight 981 from Paris to London on 3 March 1974. It crashed in the suburbs of Pzris, killing all 346 people on board. This was the worst crash ever on French soil and still the 4th deadliest crash in history.
One of my recurring nightmares is still the idea of being on a crashing airplane. Usually this takes place when the plane is about to land but I can see that we are much too low and we start clipping treetops. Sometimes the plane manages to touch ground on a road near the airport, but I always wake up before I find out if I survive or not. In more extreme nightmares, the plane hits a mountain and I can see a wall of flame roaring across the cabin, causing me to wake up just before it reaches me.
In real life, I hate both take offs and landings, since I know those are the dangerous moments.
Regarding Transamerica Airlines, I did indeed take that airline in the late 1980's from Paris to New York with my grandmother, who had been purposely misidentified as being my mother in order to get the free ticket. This was not my doing but was instigated by the representative of Transamerica Airlines at the time. Without the accident in 1974, it is possible that I would never had those tickets, because the person who died in 1974 would have still been in charge.
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Post by questa on Mar 17, 2014 1:19:31 GMT
At one time my circuit of clinics was about 650km north of Adelaide, to a remote cluster of towns in the desert
I would fly up Tuesday am and return Thursday pm. The regional airline who did the service would choose the aircraft by the bookings...6 seater, 10 seater, sometimes got to 12. Pilots friendly bunch...had insulated cold box with water, juice and pack of biscuits. Pilot would push box back to first row, then passengers would take their snack and push the box back to the row behind etc. I had a few white knuckle moments doing this circuit. Once in a 2 pilot plane, the door couldn't close properly. Everyone had a go at it while the plane stayed at 2000ft but we had to divert to an airstrip to fix it. Makes a better 'late for work' story than most.
I have some pics from that time...might scan them and tell you the stories.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 17, 2014 5:19:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 6:30:19 GMT
With global warming, the glaciers in the Alps have begun to spit out bits and pieces, including victims, from the Malabar Princess, Air India flight 245 from Bombay to London (via Cairo and Geneva). It crashed into Mont Blanc in 1950. Recently a diplomatic pouch showed up, and also part of a rumoured treasure in jewels that the plane was transporting. This was found in September 2013. Air India has not have much luck with Mont Blanc because flight 101 also crashed at nearly the same spot in 1966.
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Post by fumobici on Mar 17, 2014 18:00:59 GMT
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Post by questa on Mar 17, 2014 20:32:17 GMT
If the scenario played out as in fumobici's post it indicates a few things.
This was not a pilot who was deeply disturbed THAT MORNING by the imprisonment of his political leader. This action would have taken some time to plan and possibly practise.
He would also have needed the co-operation of the other crew members, even if under duress. Were there other "passengers" on the flight who were his back-up crew and passenger control. Seven and a half hours is a long time to keep control of 200 + people. Did the passengers decide to fight back?
The longer this goes on the more mysterious it gets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 21:26:07 GMT
I am really wondering how much you can find out about 239 people in about 10 days -- online searches, family and friend interviews, political searches, etc. I would imagine that at least half of the people on board have been determined to be "completely innocent" but that at least a hundred others are still being investigated, one way or another.
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Post by fumobici on Mar 17, 2014 21:29:16 GMT
It's turning out some if not most of the defense radars in the northern arc are not even routinely turned on and even if they had been closely following another flight with transponders off in a commonly used commercial air corridor might render only one completely innocuous appearing echo on the radar screen. It's also likely there was no alert that would have prompted lighting up radar as a missing and presumed crashed airliner in the S China Sea would probably not register as a military threat thousands of miles away. As for the passengers and remaining crew, if the pilot had simply not pressurized the cabin from takeoff as they took it up to 45,000 feet the gradual depressurization could apparently have killed anyone aft of the cockpit without them even realizing what was happening, the pilots simply closing the door and putting on masks to fly.
Why would a pilot divert his flight, hide his position, kill the entire plane except perhaps himself and one or two others and make a run for *****stan to probably land at some rough improvised airstrip? I have no idea. I don't think it was a hostages thing because you'd pretty much have to kill the passengers to pull anything like this off. What and who was on board that might provide a motive? Is a stolen 777 worth anything? What does one do with a stolen 777?
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Post by questa on Mar 17, 2014 21:32:49 GMT
Crash it into a building of extreme importance?
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Post by questa on Mar 17, 2014 21:39:26 GMT
Swap hostages for Anwar Ibrahim's freedom / full investigation of the corrupt trial(s) that have put him in prison?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 21:56:01 GMT
Whatever was planned clearly did not succeed or we would know by now. And that makes it quite possible that we will never know.
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