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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 21:32:57 GMT
Paris is hosting the world climate conference from 30 November to 11 December 2015. The government is trying everything to make it appear that this conference is the one that will really count at last. I am afraid that it is all an illusion again since the United States, Australia and Japan will probably refuse everything again, but I wish the conference the best of luck. This is the current media message that we are seeing on our screens in France.
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Post by lagatta on Aug 4, 2015 14:38:53 GMT
I'm hoping I can make it there. If so, it wouldn't be at the official conference - a friend may well be interpreting there, as he does official conferences - but at parallel NGO events. Too early to know yet.
By the way, do people in English-language (or other language) places see the subtitles of the dialogue in those languages? I see them all in French.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 16:22:30 GMT
Since that is just a YouTube video, all you can see is how it was recorded. I would assume that other language versions of the video are available, though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 5:24:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 6:57:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 20:20:20 GMT
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Post by chexbres on Nov 6, 2015 20:24:25 GMT
I really hate to be negative about things like this, but quite often when Paris throws a party, it seems that a lot of things haven't been well-planned and there are more snafus than there should be. Not all the information seems to get to the people who might be affected. On verra...but I'm glad I won't be flying in or out of Paris during the conference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 20:30:17 GMT
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Post by chexbres on Nov 6, 2015 20:41:52 GMT
Nothing more fun than stirring up anxious tourists!!! The real fun will come soon enough when all the rumors start being generated - like how protest marchers have burned down the Christmas decorations on the Champs-Elysees, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 15:43:26 GMT
I just heard on the radio that President Obama is en route to Paris today.
It also said that security was very tight, which we already knew. Demonstrations have been banned but apparently as a symbolic gesture hundreds of empty shoes have been put in place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:25:31 GMT
Yes, but there was a mini-riot including tear gas at Place de la République this afternoon. Shoes were thrown, but also rocks and bottles.
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Post by htmb on Nov 29, 2015 16:26:31 GMT
Why was there a mini-riot?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:29:13 GMT
Because the ultra left extremists are always attracted to any place where demonstrating has been banned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:43:38 GMT
Well,I guess that Tear Gas will certainly change the climate...just what we f'n need... As for shoes, I suppose the odor will add another new element to the air quality.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:46:15 GMT
Anyway, they just said on television that Place de la République has been completely sealed off with about 100 demonstrators "trapped" there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:54:56 GMT
Jeez, what a mess...
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Post by htmb on Nov 29, 2015 17:00:59 GMT
I've seen the more peaceful pictures of the shoes in photos taken earlier in the day. I thought they looked quite impressive,
It's too bad about the rest of the day's mess.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 17:23:38 GMT
I read a report about gentle ecologists with the Italian Pace rainbow flag trying to reason with the Black Bloc as they began to wreak havoc, and they were told that they could go and hug bunnies if they wanted to but that the Black Bloc will demonstrate as it sees fit.
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Post by mossie on Nov 29, 2015 19:39:27 GMT
That explains why the metro was not stopping at Republique this afternoon.
I also saw the National Front electioneering by St Paul, possibly connected
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Post by mossie on Nov 29, 2015 19:41:36 GMT
P.S. There is one benefit from this beano, all Paris transport is free today and Monday. Helps people attend demos! !
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Post by lagatta on Nov 30, 2015 15:09:31 GMT
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Post by fumobici on Nov 30, 2015 15:37:42 GMT
If the black bloc there are anything like those here, they will mostly be a strange mix of testosterone fueled teenaged boys from the wealthy suburbs just looking for action and undercover police functioning as agents provocateurs working professionally to turn public opinion against the actual political protesters and justify a violent suppression response.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 30, 2015 16:21:44 GMT
They are essentially the same in Paris as in the Pacific Northwest or here in Montréal. They have also been known to attack marches by trade unions and community groups for not being radical enough - this seems to be sort of what happened at Place de la République.
In France you also have "casseurs" who tend more to be kids from poorer districts and suburbs, who follow in the wake of demonstrations to trash and loot stuff, but I'm sure any such group would be deterred in the current climate.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 30, 2015 19:05:22 GMT
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Post by rikita on Dec 9, 2015 12:23:55 GMT
Because the ultra left extremists are always attracted to any place where demonstrating has been banned. which is one of the reasons why banning demonstrations seems very questionable to me ...
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Post by rikita on Dec 9, 2015 12:33:08 GMT
my opinion is that the violence in part is wanted to discredit the demonstrators (as someone said above, as well). and often when demonstrations are forbidden or very restricted, violence becomes more likely (as the non-violent ones are less likely to show up, i suppose). i do disagree as much as anyone else with the people who throw stones, burn cars, loot or destroy things, but i think demonstrations and voicing an opinion is an important part of democracy, and it is always wrong to punish all for the wrong-doing of some ... btw, my brother once got in trouble during 1st of may, simply because he was sitting in a club while the demonstration-fights took place in the street right outside, and the police decided to just force them all inside that club and then arrest everyone in it. he did not get properly arrested, but they took down his name and all ... another time, he was walking near a demonstration with me and some other people, and he was dressed in a similar style as the black block (no covered face though, and he was the only one in our group dressed in black), and a police officer suddenly called him "asshole" loudly to his face. seemed to me, the police guy was kind of hoping for a reaction that would give him a reason to arrest my brother (fortunately, my brother is a calm, friendly guy who would never participate in any violence).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 16:22:15 GMT
And so the conference will end tomorrow with maybe a few improvements for the planet. At least I hope so since some big countries which resisted everything in the past have changed their attitude (and sometimes changed leader).
And then on the 12th demonstrations should be authorised again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 16:30:15 GMT
And so the conference will end tomorrow with maybe a few improvements for the planet. At least I hope so since some big countries which resisted everything in the past have changed their attitude (and sometimes changed leader). Yay Canada. Do you really think demonstrating will be allowed again?
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Post by htmb on Dec 11, 2015 20:41:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 12:11:49 GMT
I didn't really see the point. "We're in favour of the environment."
There's supposed to be a big demonstration this afternoon, now that the conference has ended.
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