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Post by Kimby on Oct 3, 2019 13:22:43 GMT
Nothing like injecting ageism and sexism into a political discussion. If you were referring to MY comments, bixa, I fail to see where I could be accused of sexism at all. And ageism is a stretch, too, since I referred to a spry 95 year old expresident who said HE didn't feel he could have handled being President at 80. With Donald Trump sliding into angry dementia at 83, and 4 or 8?year terms, do we really want to risk having another president so close to their “use by” date take charge of our country? It’s not like we have a prime minister to actually run the country while our enfeebled monarch hosts state dinners and ribbon-cutting ceremonies.
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Post by bjd on Oct 3, 2019 15:01:40 GMT
He's *only* 73, Kimby. Not spry or smart though.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 3, 2019 16:27:18 GMT
shrill and preachy. (Sorta like Hillary.) That is a classic sexist remark about women in office or running for office. Yes, women generally have higher voices than men. But people running for office are in a position of continually putting forth their views, often forcefully. Reflexively calling women candidates' delivery "shrill and preachy" is tantamount to automatically dismissing men candidates' delivery as "bombastic and authoritarian". As far as Mr. Carter's remarks -- let's see all of what he said: On Sept. 17, Mr. Carter suggested that a candidate’s age was not a concern for him or his wife — nor had it been three years ago. “I’m going to vote for one of them,” Mr. Carter said of Mr. Sanders and Mr. Biden. “I voted for Bernie Sanders last time.” Mr. Carter said he was taking his time to decide about his 2020 vote. “I’m going to keep an open mind,” he said. “One of the major factors I will have in my mind is who can beat Trump.” sourceRe: Obama aging in office -- Yes, he did get eight years older, as did we all. Does that automatically mean he went downhill in his mental capacity and growth as a human being? Age and aging are completely individual and how we respond to others is too often based on appearance and stereotypes. Nancy Pelosi, who will be 80 in March, is helped by her appearance. She was always attractive and her brown hair, erect posture and discreet surgical "work" make her more acceptable in our society. If she were a man, she could get away with looking like a grizzled old political veteran. LaGatta points out how fit Warren and Sanders are. That segues into what Kerouac said, which is really the crux of the matter: I am much more concerned about lives and objectives being fully anchored in the 21st century, and I am not seeing enough of it. While experience should always be taken into consideration, the capability of projecting society into the future really seems more important to me now because we are facing all sorts of challenges that were never addressed in the past ... Source: Reply #369 aboveI am not claiming that Warren or Sanders completely fit Kerouac's criteria, but Sanders has been consistently fighting for his principles his entire adult life and Warren proposes plans to address at least some of our worst problems. Biden is supported by the lazy-minded exactly because of his perceived experience -- experience which does not seem to have taught him to anything about thinking ahead for the good of all. And the kid candidates, who of course all sound spry, do not seem to have the nimble acuity of ancient Warren and Sanders.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 3, 2019 17:58:16 GMT
shrill and preachy. (Sorta like Hillary.) That is a classic sexist remark about women in office or running for office. Yes, women generally have higher voices than men. But people running for office are in a position of continually putting forth their views, often forcefully. Reflexively calling women candidates' delivery "shrill and preachy" is tantamount to automatically dismissing men candidates' delivery as "bombastic and authoritarian”... I am an equal-opportunity annoying voice-hater. I hate Bernie’s “gargle” and hated John Kerry’s ORATORIAL PRONOUNCEMENTS. Hillary actually hurt my ears and Warrren has had that effect in the past but seems to have modulated her voice in this campaign. If I’m gonna listen to someone for 4-8 years, I don’t want to cringe each time they open their mouth. I won’t even go into how much I hate Trump’s speaking style.... And thanks for putting Jimmy Carter’s remarks into context.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 3, 2019 18:28:46 GMT
If I’m gonna listen to someone for 4-8 years, I don’t want to cringe each time they open their mouth. On the bright side, once in office the person won't be talking and talking and proclaiming the way he/she does on the campaign trail ............. unless Bluto gets back into office. Ditto on Pres. Creep's style. But I also can't listen to Chris Matthews for even one second, as his pinched unmodulated tones make me want to go deaf.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 3, 2019 18:35:43 GMT
This summer I actually sent a tweet (something that I almost never do) to a vacation replacement journalist who was doing the 6am news on television. I told him that his voice was completely inappropriate for that time of morning, that he needed to be much softer and not like somebody commenting a football game. He actually replied and said that he would be careful in the future.
Maybe if you tweet to the annoying politicians, they will make amends.
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Post by casimira on Oct 3, 2019 20:32:56 GMT
This summer I actually sent a tweet (something that I almost never do) to a vacation replacement journalist who was doing the 6am news on television. I told him that his voice was completely inappropriate for that time of morning, that he needed to be much softer and not like somebody commenting a football game. He actually replied and said that he would be careful in the future. Maybe if you tweet to the annoying politicians, they will make amends. The funniest and most brilliant thing I've heard all day!!!! (other than the hummingbird who came sooooo close to where I sit with my coffee by the feeder I put up and T said, "they'll never come to that while you're that close". HUMPHHH!!) It's too true what so many of the posts have stated I don't know where to begin. Simply dismayed...
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Post by bjd on Oct 4, 2019 8:56:17 GMT
Every time I look at a news website these days, I get the impression that Trump is totally losing his mind. Over a year before the election, he is only working on his re-election campaign. Giving his own "press conferences" outside, criticizing any possible opposition, raving and ranting about the impeachment process, confusing himself with the country (treason? a coup?). The man is a total lunatic. Surely even his supporters must be starting to wonder about his sanity?
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 4, 2019 11:43:54 GMT
As long as the economy (or their personal financial situation) is doing well, that's really all they care about. Unfortunately, that is true for the vast majority of countries in the world.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 4, 2019 11:50:16 GMT
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Post by questa on Oct 4, 2019 12:24:17 GMT
Surely even his supporters must be starting to wonder about his sanity? I am more worried about his supporters sanity. There are not enough straight-jackets to go around.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 4, 2019 16:09:43 GMT
As long as the economy (or their personal financial situation) is doing well, that's really all they care about. Unfortunately, that is true for the vast majority of countries in the world. The economy isn’t as important to Trump’s enablers in Congress as his appointment of conservative judges and dismantling of regulations meant to protect the populace and the earth at the expense of mega-corporations intent on cashing in. His supporters are all about guns and anti-abortion, and sticking it to the “libtards”, so they LOVE Trump. It will take some truly patriotic GOP in Congress, the Senate in particular, to turn this listing ship of state around before it runs onto the shoals of authoritarianism.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 4, 2019 16:15:46 GMT
Obviously things must change, but let's not forget that most people have no need of judges or abortions or guns and do not think they are affected by the dismantling of regulations... until they are. When you just look at how passive so many of the American people have been about GM foods, hormone meat and chlorine washed chicken soaked in water to make it plump, it seems quite clear to me that the most important things in life are the specials this week at the Walmart Supercenter.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 4, 2019 16:38:49 GMT
Every time I look at a news website these days, I get the impression that Trump is totally losing his mind. Over a year before the election, he is only working on his re-election campaign. Giving his own "press conferences" outside, criticizing any possible opposition, raving and ranting about the impeachment process, confusing himself with the country (treason? a coup?). The man is a total lunatic. Surely even his supporters must be starting to wonder about his sanity? As long as the economy (or their personal financial situation) is doing well, that's really all they care about. Unfortunately, that is true for the vast majority of countries in the world. I am more worried about his supporters sanity. I'm responding to all of your quotes at once, since all three of you have touched on parts of the truth. As you can imagine, I have thought about this a great deal. Bjd, he has never stopped working on re-election. In contrast to addresses to the nation, White House bulletins, etc. -- the sort of thing we expect from a president -- he has been holding rallies every since 2017. Remember back when Obama was supposed to give up his Blackberry once he was elected? This joker never stops tweeting and haranguing. The thing is, he is creepy and primitive, but in his thuggish, unreflective way he really has his finger on the public's pulse. The rest of his infamous pussy quote was "And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything." sourceI don't know what constitutes "star power", all I know is that certain people either just have it or it is draped on them by some atavistic impulse in the public. We used to all laugh about this when Paris Hilton was famous-for-being-famous. And she, to her credit, was cheerfully amused by the phenomenon. But it becomes weird and deadly serious when a "star" attains a position of power partly because of already existing fame. Trump truly, deeply gets the primitive mob mind and understands that even sane people who should know better will tend to go along with it. He is not smart, but he has seen that his antics work, maybe because they reflect our worst impulses and prejudices. Once a voter has thrown his/her lot in with Trump, it behooves that person to keep looking for reasons to justify that decision. Never mind that the economy was already on the upswing when he was elected. Never mind that the market got strong because his administration is raping the environment. Just bank your dividends and feel vindicated. If Judas Iscariot could have figured out a way that it was okay to fuck over Jesus, he wouldn't have had to hang himself. pee ess ~ wasn't ignoring Kimby's & Kerouac's most recent posts, but I had to put a load of clothes in the washer while writing the above, so I posted without seeing their posts.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 10, 2019 13:04:39 GMT
Obviously things must change, but let's not forget that most people have no need of judges or abortions or guns and do not think they are affected by the dismantling of regulations... until they are. “Need of abortion” isn’t the point. Protecting the human rights of every blob of human tissue until it is born (then they’re on their own!) is the crux of the abortion issue for conservatives. Needing a personal arsenal isn’t the whole focus of the 2nd Amendment supporters, absolute defense of Constitutional rights is. (And besides, we may someday need to overthrow an authoritarian US Government.) And judges, well the conservatives certainly need sympathetic judges to uphold their positions. But perhaps you mean we mainstream Americans are complacent and are passively watching our way of life slip away?
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 10, 2019 13:57:00 GMT
Complacency is exactly the problem.
That hoary tale about "I let them do this, because I wasn't involved, and then they did that, but I wasn't involved, etc." "Until the day they came for me." -- just has never sunk in, not just in the United States but in all of the "we're-not-concerned" countries of the world.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 18, 2019 21:33:13 GMT
I see that candidate Buttigieg, age 37, has risen to #4 in the Democratic polls after those 3 people in their 70's.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 2, 2020 17:21:47 GMT
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Post by fumobici on Jan 2, 2020 19:31:55 GMT
I think Sanders is likely to be the next President of the US. He's the only candidate I'd trust to always do the right thing for average citizens and not be corrupted by a political process he is intimately familiar with. In my opinion he is the best and most qualified candidate for the job I've ever seen in my forty years of voting. He, alone among the field, won't fold on universal health care which is for me a deeply moral issue. More importantly, he is probably the last and best hope the planet has for addressing climate change and making it the priority it must be if we are to have any chance against it. Because of the gravity of the situation and the available time, it's not just the US, the fate of the whole world may well be riding on this election. I'm afraid that if anyone else wins, we're all f***ed.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 2, 2020 19:39:28 GMT
You might be giving the United States a bit too much importance now that it has slipped into the #2 position of political power. I think that China is the country to watch.
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Post by fumobici on Jan 2, 2020 20:16:33 GMT
I'm not saying that a Sanders win will be sufficient to get the job done, but I think it will be necessary. When addressing climate change, getting the EU, China and India on board will be crucial as well.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 2, 2020 21:04:21 GMT
When addressing climate change, getting the EU, China and India on board will be crucial as well. The EU, China and India are already on the same page in terms of climate change, even though they are at different stages. It is the US and Australia that are in denial.
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Post by questa on Jan 3, 2020 10:53:46 GMT
From about 7 yrs old kids in school here have had a large component of land care, environment and development of our need for caring for the country and oceans. This has been going on for 4 generations. Every politician in Australia would have been taught and done projects on overgrazing, soil erosion and water contamination. Now our issues are deadly earnest... What did this generation learn at school? How to permit coal burning? How to suck up to mining companies? How to wipe out the fish catch and reef.Today's kids know more about care for the planet than my lot ever did .Action not words is just the beginning.
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Post by lagatta on Jan 5, 2020 3:28:48 GMT
Questa, I just don't understand that, as all the Australians (and Kiwis) I've met were keenly aware of these issues. As were people I know in the huge and poorer country of Indonesia, not very far from your upper edge. While I don't like conspiracy theories,but there do seem to be pernicious clans of people trading in climate crisis denial. Australia is burning and Indonesia is drowning!
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Post by Kimby on Jan 5, 2020 4:58:04 GMT
The evidence is everywhere you look. Except on Fox TV. Owned by Australian Rupert Murdoch...
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 14, 2020 6:29:46 GMT
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Post by casimira on Jan 14, 2020 17:51:19 GMT
I find it awfully convenient that Warren chose to wait until now to come out and make this allegation with little to nothing other than some staffers and "friends" to back her up.
With the Iowa caucus just 3 weeks away and the narrowing margin between them it seems like a desperate maneuver on her part.
Wasn't this alleged statement made in 2018?
I don't trust her.
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Post by fumobici on Jan 14, 2020 18:27:39 GMT
Yeah, there's no way in Hell Bernie would ever say that. Someone's lying. Again.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 14, 2020 19:28:12 GMT
Right, Casimira and Fumobici!!! A non-issue being blown up to cast aspersions on Bernie. I hope people can get around the paywall to read this interview. It was just more confirmation for me that Sanders is absolutely the right person for president. I found the exchange with "NF" ( Nick Fox) immensely frustrating, as it seemed NF was deliberately misunderstanding Sanders, whose position & delivery seemed crystal clear to me. The exchange pointed up how what candidates actually think & say is dumbed down and poorly presented by the endless stream of pundits. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/13/opinion/bernie-sanders-nytimes-interview.html
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Post by mich64 on Jan 14, 2020 23:24:01 GMT
Yeah, there's no way in Hell Bernie would ever say that. Someone's lying. Again. I have to agree, it makes no sense that during their conversations about their decisions to run for President, having discussions to support one another, that he would he would say or even believe in that moment, that a woman could not win. I do not believe it. I hope Elizabeth Warren can explain what happened, all this drama eventually will make a group of voters not support the other when it comes to election time.
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