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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 14:50:22 GMT
In the meantime there were riots and demonstrations here in NOLA last nite as there were all across the country; NYC, LA. Oakland, Chicago.....
What a way to start off an already disconnected country.
It's truly disconcerting.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 10, 2016 15:12:08 GMT
It certainly echoes the day after Brexit, doesn't it? At least with Brexit, though, it was some of the "leave" voters who had buyer's remorse, plus there is always the chance that the UK might wind up remaining in the EU. The blowhard shithook's election will have far worse repercussions, not only for the US but for the rest of the world. As a shame-faced American, I welcome the demonstrations telling the rest of the world that we're not all Trumpites.
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Post by chexbres on Nov 10, 2016 19:04:43 GMT
Top picks so far for presidential appointments are: Rudy Guiliani Chris Christie
I'm turning off the TV, now.
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Post by bjd on Nov 10, 2016 20:11:40 GMT
I also heard that "great guy" Newt Gingrich mentioned.
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Post by chexbres on Nov 10, 2016 22:09:02 GMT
Steve Bannon, of Breitbart fame, was mentioned as Trump's Chief of Staff. Kellyanne Conway might be Trump's spokesperson.
Meanwhile, middle school kids are chanting "build the wall" in a Michigan lunchroom.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 11, 2016 1:06:44 GMT
Another brick in the wall!
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 11, 2016 6:22:56 GMT
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Post by bjd on Nov 11, 2016 6:34:00 GMT
I had a mail from Avaaz this morning from "citizens of the world" who are signing a petition to Trump saying they disagree with his ideas. As good as it might make someone feel to click on the button, I don't think it will do any good. After all, the man was elected in the American system (not by popular vote but through the electoral college).
About the only good I can see coming from all this is that in other countries, people might think twice about the possible effects of a mindless vote for populist/nationalist politicians.
And given the kind of people Trump appears to be considering for high-level positions, it's too late for the States -- 4 years of disaster coming up. Unless he suddenly sees the light from under the brim of that stupid baseball cap.
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Post by chexbres on Nov 11, 2016 17:17:05 GMT
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Post by Kimby on Nov 12, 2016 2:19:30 GMT
Steve Bannon, of Breitbart fame, was mentioned as Trump's Chief of Staff. Kellyanne Conway might be Trump's spokesperson. Oh gawd, I hope not! I thought we were done with her. Glad I'm not hearing Sarah Palin's name being tossed around...
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 12, 2016 4:25:24 GMT
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Post by chexbres on Nov 12, 2016 9:41:11 GMT
Well, Chris Christie is out, due to "in-fighting" among Trump's inner circle. Steve Bannon will be hanging around, as will Guiliani.
Mike Pence is now in charge of the Transition Team - and will probably run the country. Trump's advisors include Ivanka, her husband, and both of Trump's older sons. Isn't this some sort of conflict of interest and aren't they supposed to be off running the family business?
Reince Priebus will probably be Chief of Staff.
I don't think I can stand any more of Kellyanne Conway spinning the "truth" via her imperturbable Stepford Wife face.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 12, 2016 10:10:09 GMT
Ivanka owns and promotes a clothing line (NOT made by well-paid workers in the US, of course). I wouldn't buy that gaudy shite anyway, but just don't. No, I'm not blaming her for being his daughter, but for going along with him. Like the Italian neo-fascist Alessandra Mussolini, granddaughter of...
I was at one of my favourite church bazaars, Ste-Madeleine d'Outremont (old money, a "society church" where Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire were wed, and some of us saw a (crappy looking and loud) skirt from "Ivanka Trump" and were laughing about it. Fortunately or unfortunately I was busy working and couldn't go the first day, so I didn't find the good winter coat I was looking for, but bought some other nice things, cheap.
While I doubt the initiative will actually influence the Electoral Collegs (an undemocratic institution bearing the influence of slave states) it is certainly worthy to remind the Donald that there are many people in the US who consider him utterly illegitimate.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 12, 2016 15:56:40 GMT
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Post by chexbres on Nov 12, 2016 20:08:34 GMT
Well, even if the Electoral College seems to be on the way out, I signed the petition to try to get Clinton elected. There is room for around 901,992 other people to get involved, and you don't have to pay anything, so why not? www.change.org/search?q=electoral%20college%20change%20votes%20for%20clintonBoris Johnson is avoiding meeting Trump, whom he describes as someone who will waste at least 2 years just trying to figure out how government works. The cost and construction of the proposed Mexican wall was broken down, bit by bit: it will be composed of 8 foot thick pre-cast concrete, with steel inserts between the panels, will rise to 55 feet, maybe more, and will not need to be built "all the way, due to natural borders and stuff". The wall is estimated to cost $25 Billion - good luck getting that much from our poverty-stricken Mexican cousins - and since one side of the wall technically belongs to Texas, good luck on getting them to pay for their portion.
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Post by patricklondon on Nov 13, 2016 8:38:12 GMT
Johnson is rowing back a bit on attitudes to Trump. It has not gone unnoticed here that Theresa May was quite low down on the list of foreign leaders Trump spoke to: and that the clown Farage is the first UK politician to meet him in person in the US since the election (someone floated a story in the press that there might be some sort of job for Farage maybe even ambassador, or even that Trump might offer him a job - well, you've put up with Piers Morgan, what's one more?). Incidentally, did anyone do any work on the effect on Mexico's economy if it's to face new tariffs and the return of unknown numbers of its citizens on to the job market, as well as a bill for a wall it never asked for? If I were them, I'd suggest they might pay something towards a wall, provided it were the other side of New Mexico and California - and the return of the Alamo might be a nice sweetener. Clearly, we should send the equally appalling Liam Fox (who's supposed to be developing all these wonderful new post-Brexit trade agreements) to Mexico to see what sort of deal we could get. My blog | My photos | My video clips"too literate to be spam"
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Post by chexbres on Nov 13, 2016 8:54:41 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 13, 2016 16:27:42 GMT
A good and sane article, Chexbres. I pretty much consider the wall a non-issue except as a way for backward US politicians to insult a neighboring ally. Of course hundreds of farmers on the US side of the border are going to eagerly give away their land and taxes to construct an ecologically disastrous, hideously expensive white elephant, right? www.newsweek.com/2016/02/26/environmental-impact-us-mexico-border-wall-426310.htmlRelated rant: the pin-headed, narrow-minded, short-sighted conservative voters and their spokespersons in government are loath to grant any money to the arts, but are willing to vomit out billions to build one of the physically and psychically ugliest constructions ever conceived.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 16:39:24 GMT
Trump can send some yokels to inspect the beauty of the Israeli wall and then take a trip to interview people in Berlin about how they felt about the East German wall.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 13, 2016 17:51:29 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Nov 13, 2016 18:26:21 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Nov 14, 2016 9:37:15 GMT
Oh dear. Livia, moonstruck, awakened me (it is 4:30 a.m. here; I have been going to bed very early but would like to get a bit more sleep) but despite the spectacular moon this month, that is truly the stuff of nightmares. I see that their tastes have been honed by the refined examples of the Ceausescus, Fernando Marcos and Imelda Marcos, and the late Saddam Hussein.
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Post by chexbres on Nov 14, 2016 13:25:00 GMT
Trump said that he would deport 2 to 3 million criminal illegal immigrants - and if he couldn't get that done fast enough, they would be incarcerated.
Which begs the question - just where, exactly would he do this?
(Sounds of lips flapping, no sense coming out)
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 14, 2016 13:42:49 GMT
And presumably they don't get a court hearing.
Guantanamo still available?
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Post by Kimby on Nov 14, 2016 15:32:27 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 14, 2016 16:48:44 GMT
Really, really, really good article, Kimby. Thank you so much for posting that.
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Post by chexbres on Nov 15, 2016 22:02:50 GMT
Obama is committed to closing Gitmo before he leaves office.
On his trip to Greece today, Obama had to grit his teeth several times, trying to choose his words carefully. He wasn't apologizing for Trump and what he might try to accomplish, but explained that since 52% of the US population did not vote, essentially we got ourselves into this mess, and Trump understood and used the peoples' anger and media to its fullest extent to affect those who did vote.
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Post by Kimby on Nov 16, 2016 12:13:31 GMT
I hold the media responsible for this debacle. False equivalency between viewpoints that aren't equal. Focus on the ratings-amping "race". Gleeful reporting of "scandals" and controversies with little fact-checking. And worst of all, failure to correct bald-faced lies in interviews with candidates and their minions. And even worse, crediting reports not just to "anonymous sources" but to "people are saying" and "some are saying". Once the mainstream media says something, other media sources can pick it up and say CBS is reporting... Or the Washington Post reported...
This is Stephen Colbert's "truthiness" to the 9th degree.
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Post by Kimby on Nov 16, 2016 12:26:54 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Nov 16, 2016 15:36:06 GMT
That was interesting. In Canada, even a majority of Conservative Party voters are against Trump. This morning, a morning show on Radio-Canada (French-language CBC) decided to was forced to give equal time to three Trump supporters, dug up somewhere - Trump supporters in Québec are rarer than anarcho-punks in the heart of the Bible Belt. I switched it off.
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