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Jul 6, 2016 10:45:24 GMT
Post by questa on Jul 6, 2016 10:45:24 GMT
Rita, thanks for passing on Dean Carlton's piece. About his last 4 questions...I feel a debate coming on...
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Brexit
Jul 6, 2016 11:14:37 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Jul 6, 2016 11:14:37 GMT
So it seems that, using those figures - 36% of 5,731,822 who could have voted, did vote. Then 73% of those voted to stay. This = 26.28% of the total youth between 18-24 whether they voted or not.
Hence the new headline should read, "Shock, horror. Only one quarter of 18-24 year olds voted to stay".
This implies although falsely and could be interpreted as, that three quarters aged 18-24 voted to leave. I like it. I may bandy that figure about to rebut arguments.
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Jul 6, 2016 11:21:41 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Jul 6, 2016 11:21:41 GMT
questa, you are taking my comments too literally. My fault I suppose. The general point being that immigration into Australia decimated the original inhabitants. Yes, the country accepted all those types of people you mentioned, and many did contribute and make the country 'better', but it made little difference on the whole to the Aborigine peoples who were shit on from a great height no matter. It just goes to show that uncontrolled immigration can have powerful effects on those already in the country.
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Jul 6, 2016 11:52:32 GMT
Post by rikita on Jul 6, 2016 11:52:32 GMT
i am not sure the situations can be compared that easily, though ... (and i kind of doubt things would have gone that much better for the aboriginals if the people settling in australia had been sorted by usefulness first)
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Jul 7, 2016 0:30:49 GMT
Post by deyana on Jul 7, 2016 0:30:49 GMT
lol. Good one, Rikita.
It amazes me that those that are or have been 'immigrants' elsewhere or have family who are definitely immigrants to other countries can be the worst haters. Hypocritical.
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Jul 7, 2016 7:57:44 GMT
Post by questa on Jul 7, 2016 7:57:44 GMT
OnlyMark...aren't I a silly goose? I should be able to recognise a rhetorical question by now, shouldn't I?
Although there were many nasty incidences between whites and aboriginal communities over land when settlers did not understand the aboriginals' relationship with the country, there were also many times when they lived in harmony with each other.
My ancestor was given a large piece of land in the fertile Hunter Valley to use for market gardening. He asked the local clan about the soil and waters and told them his plans, offering them food from the crops if they helped him and a wage. The clan didn't understand money wage so he paid in flour, sugar, tobacco, blankets, warm clothes etc. The men worked the farm with him and the women helped in the house and baby care. The white kids grew up playing with the aboriginal kids and learning the lore. Three generations later my father could still use native words and taught my brother and me bush lore. This was not a rare situation, I think that if the Government of the day had more foresight about the effects of its laws, much of the bad stuff would have been averted.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:53:50 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Jul 7, 2016 10:53:50 GMT
The words "Government" and "foresight" tend to be unfortunately rarely connected. As with plans made for if Brexit occurred.
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Jul 9, 2016 15:28:09 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Jul 9, 2016 15:28:09 GMT
Our Divine Leader, His Royal Arse, VD and Scar, has rejected there being a second vote.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:26:36 GMT
Post by whatagain on Jul 10, 2016 20:26:36 GMT
'aren't I ' I love this one and I'm glad to see somebody using it - it took me quite a while to understand that it was the way to speak.
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Jul 22, 2016 13:42:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 13:42:40 GMT
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Jul 28, 2016 4:50:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 4:50:22 GMT
Some weak suggestions from the left.
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Jul 28, 2016 12:35:56 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Jul 28, 2016 12:35:56 GMT
I don't know that the suggestions are so weak, since they address the most that an ordinary citizen is able to do.
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Jul 29, 2016 14:49:23 GMT
Post by mossie on Jul 29, 2016 14:49:23 GMT
Looking back at one of my old threads I came across this paragraph. I think that helps to explain why our leaders got such a shock when the referendum went against them. They were living in their Westminster dream world. I do feel sorry for the younger generation where housing costs have gone through the roof, houses are now unaffordable for people on normal employment. Rents are being pushed to higher and higher levels, and all the while immigration is adding to the pressures. They are encouraged to attend university and leave with mediocre degrees and raised expectations in the job they will get, plus a large debt. Absolutely no foundation to start a family, let alone live a good life. Our useless leaders live the high life completely out of touch with normal people. Sorry I do get very frustrated with this country now. Read more: anyportinastorm.proboards.com/thread/7510/suffolk-off-beaten-track#ixzz4FoE6pnJc
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Jul 29, 2016 15:45:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 15:45:08 GMT
Mossie, that is the state of the world now. Every one of your points can be said about Vancouver, Canada; they are not unique to Britain. It's a world-wide neo-liberalism agenda that has led us down this path.
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Jul 30, 2016 0:58:12 GMT
Post by lagatta on Jul 30, 2016 0:58:12 GMT
Yes, if it is a bit less so in Montréal, it is because of "progressive-nationalist" parties, social movements such as the student strike ware in 2012 that went far beyond students or the issue of tuition fees, and because our economy is somewhat depressed due to a variety of factors. Even so, it is a problem.
I think it is important to pick apart the casual connection (especially in Vancouver) between Asian property speculators and "Asians", when so many people in greater Vancouver are of East, South or Southeast Asian origins.
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Jul 30, 2016 1:18:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 1:18:45 GMT
Any "white-only" racists in Vancouver would have a horrible time of it, as 50% of the population is non-white, and growing. Yes, East Asian property speculators are having a huge impact on the city and are drawing a lot of ire. Things are coming to a head as there is proposed legislation that would impose huge non-resident taxes on empty houses. However, I read today how such a law could contravene NAFTA and could cause a lot of problems for the city/province.
I love Vancouver's immigrant population. I only arrived here myself in the 80s and it seems to me that the descendants of the Chinese who were imported to build the railway, or the Sikhs who came here early in the last century to farm, have far more of a claim to the city than me. And lets not forget the First Nations people and the unceded Coast Salish lands everything sits on.
Education is expensive, the cost of living is through the roof, the young can't afford to live in the city, and we hate our politicians. Sounds like London.
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Jul 30, 2016 2:38:37 GMT
Post by questa on Jul 30, 2016 2:38:37 GMT
And Australia. Our recent elections showed a huge swing away from the "usual suspects" of the 2 main parties and to the minor groups. This has resulted in the balance of power changes. The individuals and small groups now can pass or block any legislation. They have promised not to pass votes of no confidence or block Supply bills, such as brought down the elected Government in 1975.
One person to get elected is Senator Pauline Hanson - a racist, right wing woman who started her own Party called One Nation 20 years ago which has become the voice of the red-necks. She will get mentions in the International media for her views, a soul sister to Trump.
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Aug 14, 2016 8:18:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 8:18:23 GMT
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Oct 6, 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:50:12 GMT
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Oct 15, 2016 22:18:46 GMT
Post by lugg on Oct 15, 2016 22:18:46 GMT
Woolfe incident - Just so very embarrassing
This made me laugh (warning; strong language )
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Oct 15, 2016 22:57:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 22:57:57 GMT
I admit that I have scheduled a trip to Scotland in January partly for political reasons.
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Oct 16, 2016 0:35:01 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Oct 16, 2016 0:35:01 GMT
Ha, Lugg ~ that was WONDERFUL!
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Oct 16, 2016 14:53:07 GMT
Post by patricklondon on Oct 16, 2016 14:53:07 GMT
I admit that I have scheduled a trip to Scotland in January partly for political reasons. I think the political hiatus will still be on, and then for at least a year or eighteen months, or until the SNP judges Scottish public opinion will want a second referendum. And it will be too cold to think about much more than keeping warm! My blog | My photos | My video clips"too literate to be spam"
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Oct 17, 2016 7:04:45 GMT
Post by rikita on Oct 17, 2016 7:04:45 GMT
And it will be too cold to think about much more than keeping warm! why? edinburgh, for example, is not that much colder than paris in january and is warmer than, for example, berlin, afaik ...
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Oct 17, 2016 9:15:08 GMT
Post by bjd on Oct 17, 2016 9:15:08 GMT
And it will be too cold to think about much more than keeping warm! why? edinburgh, for example, is not that much colder than paris in january and is warmer than, for example, berlin, afaik ... Rikita is right -- I just had a look for Edinburgh and average temperature in January, the coldest month, is 3°C. I think the damp is a greater problem. And this morning it's sunny!
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Oct 17, 2016 10:34:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 10:34:19 GMT
In any case, I chose Edinburgh over London this time.
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Jan 17, 2017 20:21:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 20:21:40 GMT
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Jan 27, 2017 3:09:57 GMT
Post by waterhazardjack on Jan 27, 2017 3:09:57 GMT
Quite a remarkable speech Mrs May made in US tonight. Once again, the UK would appear to be putting all their eggs in the USA basket - or donating, as the case may turn out to be... Given the unpleasant nature of the new US regime, this may not be in the best interest of the UK, in the long term. Plus if the US decides to strategically favour the UK in a bilateral trade deal, this will hardly accentuate European goodwill towards smoothing the UK's exit, especially as Trump's people don't seem to be even trying to disguise their intention to divide and weaken the EU...
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Jan 27, 2017 17:40:56 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Jan 27, 2017 17:40:56 GMT
Unfortunately you are completely correct, Waterhazardjack. I defy any person to travel to this great country at any time and not to be inspired by its promise and its example. ... ... dawn breaks on a new era of American renewal. ... For I speak to you not just as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, but as a fellow Conservative who believes in the same principles that underpin the agenda of your party. The value of liberty. The dignity of work. The principle of nationhood, family, economic prudence, patriotism - and putting power in the hands of the people. Principles instilled in me from a young age. Principle that my parents taught me in the vicarage in Southern England in which I was raised. I know that it is these principles that you have put at the heart of your plan for government. And your victory in these election gives you the opportunity to put them at the heart of this new era of American renewal too. President Trump's victory - achieved in defiance of all the pundits and the polls - and rooted not in the corridors of Washington, but in the hopes and aspirations of working men and women across this land. Your party's victory in both the Congress and the Senate where you swept all before you, secured with great effort and achieved with an important message of national renewal. ... As Americans know, the United Kingdom is by instinct and history a great, global nation that recognises its responsibilities to the world. And as we end our membership of the European Union – as the British people voted with determination and quiet resolve to do last year – we have the opportunity to reassert our belief in a confident, sovereign and Global Britain, ready to build relationships with old friends and new allies alike. ... But we have chosen a different future for our country. ... A future that sees us take back control of the things that matter to us – things like our national borders and immigration policy, and the way we decide and interpret our own laws - so that we are able to shape a better, more prosperous future for the working men and women of Britain.
Here is the whole speech: www.businessinsider.com/full-text-theresa-mays-speech-to-the-republican-congress-of-tomorrow-conference-2017-1
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Jan 27, 2017 18:22:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:22:17 GMT
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