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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 5, 2018 19:26:34 GMT
No flooding in 2017, but 2018 is beginning with the Seine rising fast. Nothing dramatic so far except in Rouen, but all of the rain from the 'Eleanor' storm is still on its way to Paris where the water level has risen enough for the moored restaurant barges to install the big vertical beams that will prevent them from floating up on the lower quay if the water continues to rise. In about 48 hours, the Seine is already expected to have risen another 50 centimetres. More rain in the forecast.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 6:27:21 GMT
Goodness! I remember how awful it was the last time when reported there.
I am dreading all the ice melting from the upper US and Canada heading this a way come Spring thaw along the Mississippi River.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 23, 2018 11:08:18 GMT
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Post by bjd on Jan 23, 2018 11:52:49 GMT
I heard about the high water in Paris while listening to the radio a short while ago. I imagine it's not only rain but also the snowmelt in the Alps after December's snow and the recent mild temperatures that have raised the water levels so early in the season.
I just checked the webcams for downtown Toulouse -- the water is high but nowhere near flood levels.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 23, 2018 12:25:56 GMT
Seine flood waters don't come all the way from the Alps -- that's on the other side of the continental divide. It deosn't even get the snowmelt from the Vosges, which sends water into the Meuse, the Moselle and the Rhine which are also flooding.
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Post by onlyMark on Jan 24, 2018 13:47:49 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 24, 2018 13:52:03 GMT
I didn't go look today, but I'll probably check it out again tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 14:17:44 GMT
The news I heard on the radio that I heard this a.m. attributed the flooding to rain water as opposed to the Mississippi River rising waters (in the Springtime) are attributed to snow melt from all the way North as Minnesota on down. They also referred to the Paris flooding as "the flood of the century". (taking into account this is the media and how exaggerated their reports can be). I hope I am wrong.
The maps are fascinating. Thanks for posting them and, also the pics.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 24, 2018 14:46:10 GMT
The "flood of the century" was in 1910, which makes it clear that a century has passed and that some day there will be a new flood for this century. The flood in 1910 was 8.6 on the scale and this is expected to be just 6.2 after 6.1 two years ago. Since the flood in 1910, four huge retention basins have been created upstream. They are only about 70% full at the moment, so there is no real danger. But with climate change, anything is possible... It is supposed to rain like hell again over the next few days.
I live in "upper" Paris so I will never be affected ("never say never"). People have already been told the keep an eye on their cellars and underground parking lots, because the water table is rising, too. Seepage could begin at any moment. The cellar of my building is just packed earth, not even cement.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 24, 2018 18:12:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:18:19 GMT
From experiences here one has to take into account that though you may not be directly affected by the flooding,the people who run certain vital businesses within the city may be directly affected.
I'm not familiar with the particular demographics of areas in Paris that will or will not flood but, it was a rude awakening when after some natural disasters here one wonders why the cobbler's shop has been closed for over a week, along with the baker, postal workers etc. You see them every day but, never give much thought as to where their homes are until disasters occur and they are not there where you see them on a daily basis.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 24, 2018 22:13:58 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 27, 2018 6:56:50 GMT
Here are a few more photos from yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 15:42:31 GMT
Some great albeit scary pics Kerouac. Yes, I had heard that the peak will likely occur around 6pm this evening. And, the zoave statue which serves as a water marker had thigh high water as evidenced in your pic as opposed to neck high in 1910. Also mentioned were the rats being flushed out of the drains making for an increase in vermin there. I wonder how they interact with the above ground rats. Maybe they have turf wars. Interesting thought.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 27, 2018 16:56:38 GMT
I admit that I have not been following this story, but something on the news today finally made me come see what you had to say about the situation. Yikes! Your coverage is more balanced and complete that what I saw on the news. And your pictures really are worth a thousand words. The news video I saw showed an edge of the river gently lapping at some green banks. Your pictures pull back to show all the things that shouldn't be covered by water, but that the river is overtaking. I live in "upper" Paris so I will never be affected ("never say never"). People have already been told the keep an eye on their cellars and underground parking lots, because the water table is rising, too. Seepage could begin at any moment. The cellar of my building is just packed earth, not even cement. A news story I read this morning reported various evacuations around Paris, mentioning a health center in the northwestern suburbs. I realize that you are "north of the middle" of the city, but does the "upper" also refer to elevation? Will your building's committee decide if you all should evacuate, or will it be up to individuals?
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 27, 2018 19:27:20 GMT
Paris is not at all in trouble and only would be if water levels began to reach the heights of 1910. However, once again the various museums near the river have been obliged to move some of their reserves from their cellars -- the Louvre, the Orsay and also the Petit Palais. The Islamic Arts section of the Louvre is closed once again due to being underground. All of the items in it have not been moved this time as they were in 2016, but obviously the curators are ready to do so at any alert.
Obviously, the situation is considerably more dramatic in the suburbs, where they Seine often has only natural banks and not the big stone walls found in Paris. Quite a few towns are underwater. We see it on the news here, but it is not newsworthy for the rest of the world. After all, there are floods everywhere all the time.
In any case the Seine has not yet reached its peak. It is rising more slowly in Paris, but it has not stopped rising. Right now they are saying that the peak will not be reached until Sunday night at the earliest.
I have absolutely nothing to worry about, even in the cellar, since I am on really high ground. I feel it every time I cycle up here.
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Post by lagatta on Jan 27, 2018 19:45:37 GMT
Yes, I can attest to that; I have a friend who lived in the 19th, but not far from you. Remember cycling up there with him... in 1986 or '87. He still lives in the 19th, but a bit more towards La Villette, near the "New Jewish area" you did a photo report on here. By the way, the friend is Jewish, but utterly secular.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 22, 2018 5:50:47 GMT
The water level has been dropping ever so slowly the past three weeks. Navigation was still mostly forbidden, but the lower walkways finally emerged and all of the street cleaning machines went to work immediately. They had to remove logs and other debris and scrub away the mud and silt. Apparently it is important to do this as quickly as possible because if it dries out, it turns into a sort of cement that is even more difficult to remove. So finally everything was mostly clean -- and now the water is going up again. They'll have to do everything all over again... but when?
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 22, 2018 6:01:40 GMT
That's a long time to endure that mess & awful for the cut-off businesses.
Are the older buildings in danger of collapse because of the lower parts being underwater for so long?
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 22, 2018 6:12:19 GMT
Probably not any more than the bridges! I think water is taken into consideration when things are built down that low.
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Post by tod2 on Feb 23, 2018 17:24:01 GMT
Kerouac, has the water not lapped at the terraced steps of Quai Saint Bernard? It's hard to imagine I will be walking along the banks of the Seine in a few months time and probably see no evidence of all the flooding.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 5, 2021 16:42:52 GMT
The water is up again this year, but it's not too bad. I'm pretty sure that it has already peaked, but more rain is on the way. They are more careful now. The big beams used as benches have been brought to the upper quays. The same goes for the trash bins, which are not being used anyway right now, especially by the closed restaurants. It is forbidden to walk on the lower banks. Yeah, right. I prefer to stay out of harm's way.
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 5, 2021 17:01:22 GMT
Yaay -- I have been waiting for these pictures.
I knew the water was up in Paris & knew we could count on you to report on it. Great photos!
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Post by bjd on Feb 5, 2021 17:57:43 GMT
It is flooding in various parts of France these days. The Garonne river has spread dramatically over the countryside before it reaches Bordeaux. The lake is high here again, although not as much as a few weeks ago. And the zouave isn't underwater -- not even his trousers -- so things are still okay in Paris.
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Post by lugg on Feb 6, 2021 18:38:46 GMT
Thank you I enjoyed the up date K2. It does appear that this year has been less wet
Here in my home yard ... I tend to gauge how bad the rain has been by how deep the mud is ... last year it was hip height in November and on it went , this year mid calf so much less.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 7, 2021 7:26:09 GMT
The Seine went up 17cm overnight, which is uncharacteristically fast. This is because it rained most of the day yesterday east of Paris. There are several retention lakes to prevent flooding, but most of the rain fell after the last retention lake so there was nothing to hold back the water.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 8, 2021 12:51:40 GMT
The Seine is still rising but not as fast. However, if there is a bunch of snow in eastern France, the water will make its way to Paris when it thaws. Last week I saw this solitary barge going through Paris, just a couple of hours before the Seine was closed to navigation. The residential barges always present a challenge. Stay on board or go? No trips to the store until further notice...
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 8, 2021 13:03:40 GMT
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Post by tod2 on Feb 9, 2021 14:14:06 GMT
Looking at the dramatic photos Kerouac, makes me wonder if the willow tree at the end of Square du Vert-Galant will go the way of several willows before it and be replaced with yet another young sapling. I notice the second willow seems to have died or been removed. I'm not sure if it was you or someone else from Fodors who made a special trip to go and find out what had happened to the willow I visited every year, and to my horror on one visit looked down on a mere tree stump. I loved that tree.
Where about would I find that gold lizard curled around the blue-grey ornamental bollard ?
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Post by casimira on Feb 9, 2021 14:35:00 GMT
The willows along the Mississippi River all seem to survive the annual rising of the river here I'd be more worried about those lovely birches surviving.
Sorry about your willow Tod.
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