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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 2:55:56 GMT
Group report created by kerouac2 (who due to a glitch is the "Deleted" in this presentation), with htmb and bixaorellana -- I think that everybody knows that one of the most important things when celebrating Muertos in Mexico is to visit one of the main cemeteries and preferably more than one since the festivities (a more accurate term than "commemorations" in this case) last several days before and after November 1st and each night becomes a time for both decorating the tombs of loved ones and having as much fun as possible. If you are lucky enough to have a knowlegeable guide to lead you to the best places, it just doesn't get any better. So, we took the plunge in Xoxocotlan just outside of Oaxaca. We managed to arrive at the cemetery just before dusk or rather we almost arrived by taxi because the road had already been closed to cars and we had to walk the last stretch to get to the cemetery.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 3:05:22 GMT
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Post by htmb on Nov 4, 2016 3:10:08 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 4, 2016 3:17:24 GMT
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Post by htmb on Nov 4, 2016 3:24:19 GMT
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Post by htmb on Nov 4, 2016 3:33:43 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 4, 2016 3:49:14 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Nov 4, 2016 11:51:21 GMT
I'm sure there must be anthropological, historical and sociological analyses of the joyous Day of the Dead in Mexico and particular in Oaxaca with its very "living" Indigenous cultures; the syncretism between traditional beliefs and the teachings of Catholicism. I guess I'm asking Bixa above all (and articles in Spanish are fine).
One can also observe joyous funereal elements in cultures of West African origins, not only in those countries but also in New Orleans...
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 6, 2016 4:27:19 GMT
Hi LaGatta ~ nice tie-in about the W.African and NO celebrations with the remembrance of the dead here. I am pretty sure there is some discussion in an old day of the dead thread(s) about the mingling of pre-hispanic and all saints/souls customs. Let me try to find it and get back to you.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 6, 2016 4:31:48 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 6, 2016 5:43:46 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 6, 2016 5:47:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 11:32:32 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Nov 6, 2016 15:36:43 GMT
I'm happy to finally be able to see K2's photos along with the ladies'! Doing a quick google, I found this from Conaculta: www.cultura.gob.mx/turismocultural/publi/Cuadernos_19_num/cuaderno16.pdfBut I hate reading long texts on the computer screen. And I don't see anything specific to Oaxaca, but I could be missing it. Because Hallowe'en is so commercial and generally imported from US mass culture, one easily forgets that it is also syncretic, between All Saints' and All Souls' days and Celtic belief systems and rituals, that also bear the mark of a region where the difference between summer and winter is so much greater and the loss of sunlight and warmth so ominous in the eons before electricity and central heating.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 16:06:08 GMT
One thing about the celebrations in Mexico that seems just a bit unfortunate is that a lot of the imagery from the large neighbours to the north is now being incorporated -- plastic jack o'lanterns and some rather insipid ghosts and goblins. However, it is still a very small fraction of the displays and does not (yet) annoy. Many of the things to see would scare the crap out of most children in many other countries. After stumbling around in the dark and not having a personal tomb to groom and use as a picnic table, we went outside the walls where the food vendors were just setting up. The ambience is more like a carnival midway than anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 3:17:24 GMT
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Post by htmb on Nov 7, 2016 4:14:55 GMT
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Post by htmb on Nov 7, 2016 4:26:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 4:32:52 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 7, 2016 4:58:59 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 7, 2016 5:05:06 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 7, 2016 5:14:03 GMT
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Post by bjd on Nov 7, 2016 9:40:42 GMT
I wonder whether Mexicans have a different attitude to death than in other parts of the western world where it is hidden away, since they know their families will be coming to "visit" every year, decorating tombs, eating and having music played.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 17:48:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 19:48:09 GMT
We had to take a taxi from the little cemetery to the main cemetery across town... There are numerous statues/landmarks to help you figure out exactly where you are. This dragonfly (or maybe a zika mosquito?) seemed like it could be useful, too. ... getting closer... maybe... We alighted from the taxi here, which wasn't exactly an official landmark.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 13, 2016 20:31:00 GMT
You got some exceptionally lovely pictures in that little cemetery, Kerouac. Also, thanks for the great narrative throughout. In order to try to keep this thread somewhat in sync, lemme throw in my pictures from that little cemetery of Santo Tomás Xochimilco, Oaxaca -- not to be confused with the Xochimilco of Mexico City.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 13, 2016 20:35:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 12:33:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 12:46:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 13:41:14 GMT
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