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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 23, 2017 21:11:28 GMT
Yep. Just saw Le Pen glowingly gloating as she went off to the "Rust Belt", again presenting herself as the people's candidate. Barf barf and déjà vu.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 23, 2017 21:35:49 GMT
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Post by bjd on Apr 24, 2017 5:26:00 GMT
I just looked up the election results for the department I live in. Slightly different than nationally, since Haute Garonne (where Toulouse is located) is traditionally leftish, despite having a centre-right mayor most of the time:
Emmanuel Macron 26.43% Mélenchon (far left) 23.69 Le Pen (far right) 16.71 Fillon (centre right) 16.49 Hamon (Socialist Party) 8.37
The others are at less than 5%, and mostly less than 1°.
Abstention rate: 18.89%, so not as bad as predictions had forecast.
Then I looked at the suburb that I actually live in and it's even better:
Macron 30.59 Mélenchon 27.86 Fillon 16.14 Hamon 10.94 Le Pen 7.84
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 6:53:11 GMT
As for Paris, I am pleased to say the Le Pen got less than 5% of the vote again. She has absolutely never progressed in this city.
The 19th and 20th arrondissements put Mélenchon on top. My own 18th arrondissement went for Macron:
Macron 33.81% Mélenchon 28.38% Fillon 14.53% Hamon 13.33% Le Pen 5.46%
The neologism that most of the journalists are using about the election results is "dégagisme" which was coined during the Arab Spring in Tunisia with the famous slogan "Ben Ali, dégage!" which was later used even in Egypt about Moubarak. "Dégager" means to clear out and by extension "get the hell out!" The concept of dégagisme has probably been known in English far longer under the slogan "throw the bums out!"
Basically, the French are tired of seeing the same politicians that they have seen for the last 30 years. The two remaining candidates have not been around that long.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 24, 2017 7:21:43 GMT
Opposite of utopian. Ta.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 8:06:08 GMT
I've never been so bitter after the result of an election.
"Nous avons perdu la guerre, mais c'est nous qui avions les plus belles chansons" "We lost the war, but it's we who had the most beautiful songs" A republican Spaniard after the battle of Ebro, 1938
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 24, 2017 12:23:09 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Apr 24, 2017 12:42:57 GMT
Loved the international brigades. Utopistes with the guts to go to the end !
As for 134 economists supporting Keynes I can find more people with a lot of PHD s saying the Shoah never existed. Or doctors saying cigarettes have no impact on health or specialists saying fuel has no impact on climate.
I much prefer people like you !
And out of the 500 guys who die on the street how many refuse to go to shelters or refused assistance ? Some guys are just outside if any system. But true we can always do better.
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Post by whatagain on Apr 24, 2017 12:46:21 GMT
In Belgium 75 homeless people died in 2014. Not all in the street and cause was mostly alcohol drugs or health problems (...). And most died in shelters or hospitals.
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Post by bjd on Apr 24, 2017 13:29:55 GMT
Whatagain, those 134 economists Askar listed support Melenchon, not Keynes.
I was just reading another electoral PDF file and discovered that Nathalie Artaud, a Communist with the usual, "take everything from the bourgeoisie with no compensation" is in fact a professor of economics. An agrégé in economics! (The agrégation is a competitive exam for teaching in secondary education for law, economics and political science.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:21:56 GMT
One interesting thing about Paris is that when somebody tells you their address, it is quite easy to guess how they vote, and this election was no exception. This gif makes it very clear: Fillon in the west, Mélenchon in the east, Macron in the centre. One thing I did not know is that the rare Le Pen voters are all clustered on the very edge of the city.
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Post by patricklondon on Apr 24, 2017 17:22:03 GMT
One thing I did not know is that the rare Le Pen voters are all clustered on the very edge of the city. Somehow that doesn't surprise me. Just across the Périphérique from the suburbs. In London, the classic pockets of support for the extreme right are not in the areas where there are high concentrations of immigrant-descended populations, but in the areas nearby, nor in areas that are particularly economically depressed but just close enough to it for people to be fearful. My blog | My photos | My video clips"too literate to be spam"
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 24, 2017 17:54:17 GMT
And isn't that a lovely commentary on human nature? Accurate, though. Just saw this at the newstand. None of that "centrist" crap for La Jornada.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 18:07:43 GMT
Spot on.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 24, 2017 18:08:08 GMT
Ha!
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Post by bjd on Apr 24, 2017 18:18:16 GMT
What would they have called Fillon?
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 24, 2017 19:08:39 GMT
Probably a lightweight. Politicians here really know how to pilfer from the public coffers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 21:07:27 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Apr 24, 2017 21:59:44 GMT
I'm glad they left Nique Le Pen, a touching sentiment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 22:10:50 GMT
Well, they left it until they brought in the cherry picker, probably.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 23:15:31 GMT
Here are the definitive election results for the first round, including overseas areas and expats living in other countries.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 5:39:25 GMT
Okay, now that we are in the second round of the campaign, time to look more closely at the campaign advertising by the remaining candidates. These ads are ones from the first round, however.
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Post by lugg on Apr 25, 2017 7:00:28 GMT
So I have read Le Pen has resigned from the NF leadership, will that help her campaign do you think ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 8:02:49 GMT
No, that makes absolutely no difference other than trying to "reach out" to the meagre stock of possible allies who will try to worm out of ways of saying that they are supporting the leader of the National Front. "She's a new person -- she has left all of that behind her!"
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Post by whatagain on Apr 25, 2017 9:21:37 GMT
Shoot ! I looked up the results of my town in southern France 38% Fillion, 29% Le Pen, Dupont Aignan 4% = 71% vote for a thief, a nzai or a anti-Europe clown. Melenchon 9%, Hamont 2%, 15% Macron : not much left for the left here...
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Post by bjd on Apr 25, 2017 10:49:31 GMT
If your town is in the southeast, then that's no surprise. The area is known as being right-wing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 10:52:40 GMT
You're just lucky that Le Pen was not first, whatagain.
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Post by whatagain on Apr 26, 2017 23:00:50 GMT
Cavalaire, var 83. Yup, lucky the bitch didn't get more votes... Some of my neighbours vote Le Pen. More out of stupidity than racism but nevertheless I prefer to avoid the subject. Words like nazis, bastards, etc might damage the relationship with people who are, for the rest, charming.
I read that 10% of the guys who voted Melenchon would be voting for Le Pen in second tour. Going from far left to far right - I know that some of the programs intersect or overlap, but still it surprises me.
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Post by bjd on Apr 27, 2017 6:32:31 GMT
On the political spectrum, the far left and right are closer to each other than to the centre. think of it as a horseshoe rather than a straight line. It doesn't surprise me at all.
I am afraid of abstention and complacency in the second round.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 7:15:55 GMT
I am dismayed but not perplexed by Mélenchon's passive support of Marine Le Pen. In 2002, he did not hesitate one instant to support Jacques Chirac against Jean-Marie Le Pen.
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