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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 17:29:27 GMT
I'm with you on this Amboseli.
Anyone knows that fingerprints can be "manufactured", transferred etc.
No, I'm not a wing nut yet, but, this is far too botched and suspect for even a neophyte such as I.
For levity of sorts, I'm gonna post a song that if you listen to the lyrics closely, sings volumes... Apologies to those who may mind it offensive, it was written at least 20 years ago...
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Post by onlyMark on Dec 23, 2016 19:33:37 GMT
casi, I have to ask, do you really think the German police would have transferred a set of fingerprints from him to the truck cab and/or made a set somehow and placed them there? It just so happens the German forensic experts were all in on a conspiracy to lay the blame on this one man? The question I ask, is why? Why him? Why in such a high profile incident where everything will be closely examined in hindsight? If so - and the English expression is 'fitted up' - why not in a smaller less public incident where the fit up would be more unlikely to be found? To what end would virtually the whole of the established forces of law and order gang together for this one man? Did the Chief of police communicate vis email or something to all other forces in every European country and then to every single of the thousands of Police and other security services that this one man must not live at all costs? Manufacture the injury to the Italian policeman, plant a gun etc etc....... and there are a lot of exceteras.... again to what aim? To get the offence signed off? To say they had caught and eliminated him. For kudos? For what? Anything a conspiracy theorist throws up I bet I can answer in a realistic, logical and common sense way. Without all the wild speculation, and grasping theories out of the air that have no substantiation. Think logically casi and don't be swayed by emotion. Why him, why then and how many people would have to secretly be involved to cover it all up. I'm sure about this even if I have my doubts we really landed on the moon
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Post by onlyMark on Dec 23, 2016 19:36:03 GMT
You're right. But they didn't have to disclose the guy's name until they were 200% sure. Which guy are we talking about? The one who was arrested and released or the one who really did it?
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Post by amboseli on Dec 23, 2016 19:44:28 GMT
The Afghan refugee who was arrested and released.
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Post by rikita on Dec 24, 2016 0:07:04 GMT
i must say i am mainly with mark on this - i don't see why anyone would have wanted to set up the guy (the tunisian one that got shot in italy) and go through so much trouble to do so ...
as for the other guy (i read he is pakistani, not afghan), i agree they should not haved released his name. i don't know what i think about the arrest - being arrested wrongly must be quite traumatizing, and if his full name was released (i only read his first name and first letter of family name) that is not good. in an interview he said he was running to catch his train and that drew police suspicion on him ...
as for the tunisian guy being dead - i agree that it would have been much preferable if he had been caught alive - but i am not police and have not ever been in a shooting, so i don't know how it is when someone tries to shoot you dead, and suppose that at that moment the police officers mainly had to make sure they survive. i think the mistakes lie mainly in what happened before, if it was known he was dangerous ... but even there - they could not deport him until they got the papers ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 7:10:03 GMT
[...being able to travel freely to France, then to Italy and goodness knows what else. Even though there are more spot checks now than there used to be, this is completely normal since the Schengen travel zone was implemented. Travelling between the continental countries of most of Europe (+ Iceland) is considered to be domestic travel and is like crossing state lines in the United States. You don't even notice the borders anymore until the language on the signs changes.
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Post by amboseli on Dec 24, 2016 10:50:01 GMT
as for the other guy (i read he is pakistani, not afghan), i agree they should not haved released his name. i don't know what i think about the arrest - being arrested wrongly must be quite traumatizing, and if his full name was released (i only read his first name and first letter of family name) that is not good. in an interview he said he was running to catch his train and that drew police suspicion on him ... In some Belgian papers his full name and age was disclosed. He is Pakistani indeed, not Afghan.
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 24, 2016 16:19:52 GMT
I think it's a little bit too easy to criticize the police in this kind of a situation. It's easy for me to sit here on my sofa with what I've gleaned from the news -- which may or may not be factual -- and say that "they" should have done such and such. Some of the things that get published are not given out by official sources, but ferreted out by other means by newspeople. Anyway, probably everyone has seen this by now, but I think it's a good refutation of some of the jumping to conclusions that is so rife in this justifiably terrorism-jumpy age: www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/truth-berlin-christmas-market-terror-9500721
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:50:53 GMT
That is a really excellent summary in just one place of most of the things that I have pieced together from at least 20 other reports.
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