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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 13, 2017 9:58:10 GMT
I wonder why Lizzy felt it necessary to change her name just to say goodbye?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:52:27 GMT
This whole case mystified me. I had posted as a joke on the peeve thread "people who claim they don't have a television when they have a computer, a tablet or a smartphone," the point being that nobody needs a television set anymore because they can and do see video many other ways, and a few of our members regularly mention for some reason "I don't have a television" and then they go on to talk about what they have been watching.
For some reason, this was considered to be a mortal insult because it was inferred that I was scorning poor people who can't afford a television.
Go figure!
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 13, 2017 13:11:51 GMT
I likely read a dozen books as a result. As part of the rental contract for where I am now there is cable TV included. I watched it after many years of not having anything but it soon became apparent that nearly all of it was utter crap interspersed with far too many adverts and the incessant need to repeat what has just happened and show what is to come in the next segment. I bet only about 10% is original programming and the rest is filler, repetitions and adverts. There are some gems but for crying out loud, how did we get to this state? I just can't watch it any more. I'll see Casi's dozen books and raise her several dozen more. And another thing, when did someone last play a board game?
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Post by lagatta on Mar 13, 2017 16:21:34 GMT
The problem is that we (lizzyfaire and I, and perhaps others) read your comment not as a joke but as a putdown, as if we were claiming to be superior beings. I really don't care whether or not people have or watch large-screen TVs - it is really none of my business. It doesn't even have the (literal) impact development centred on private cars has on the environment or the safety of pedestrians and cyclists, or the availability of quality public transport.
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Post by bjd on Mar 13, 2017 19:18:42 GMT
A perfect example of humour not travelling well over cyberspace. I too read it as a putdown, not a joke.
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Post by fumobici on Mar 13, 2017 19:29:11 GMT
This whole case mystified me. I had posted as a joke on the peeve thread "people who claim they don't have a television when they have a computer, a tablet or a smartphone," the point being that nobody needs a television set anymore because they can and do see video many other ways, and a few of our members regularly mention for some reason "I don't have a television" and then they go on to talk about what they have been watching. For some reason, this was considered to be a mortal insult because it was inferred that I was scorning poor people who can't afford a television. Go figure! She wasn't talking about being able to afford a television, but rather the something like $120 USD each and every month one must cough up for a rudimentary basic cable package. I don't even want to know what all the people I know who talk about their HBO-SHO-etc. etc. shows they love must pay to get all of them. it's gotta be a fortune! I could probably win the lottery and still not want to pay it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:57:09 GMT
Is there no free broadcast television anymore in North America? In France, even though television has been digital for years, there are 27 free broadcast channels, and the majority of people do not have cable or satellite television.
Is this all just a case of diverging cultures?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 20:13:48 GMT
Perhaps we need a seminar on the meaning of emoticons.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 13, 2017 20:45:47 GMT
When the whole world pisses me off, I think that I may be the problem. Emoticons are helpful but sometimes they miss their mark. Seems here the majority missed the humor.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 13, 2017 22:23:07 GMT
Is there no free broadcast television anymore in North America? We Norteamericanos can get about 17-20 digital channels free off the air, but most people don't have antennas anymore and many homeowners associations have restrictions on external antennas. The popular new dramatic and comedic series tend to be aired on pay channels like HBO and Showtime, so not available off the air. Live streaming and NetFlix requires high speed internet without a data cap. So us cheapos who don't pay for unlimited internet and cable or satellite, rely on borrowing videos from the library, often a year after the series' original release.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 13, 2017 22:26:06 GMT
And emoticons are indispensable for those trying to be funny on the Internet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 22:57:50 GMT
Well, they don't always work.
I see absolutely no need to watch those popular new series even though I have access to them. Could this be what is making people feel "poor"? None of those programmes attract me. I prefer to watch the news.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 13, 2017 23:16:32 GMT
Did you watch Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, or Treme? Better than most free tv or movies. Also The Americans, House of Cards, and Homeland. And many new series that Mr. & Mrs. Kimby haven't watched yet, but we hear are excellent.
And I wouldn't use the word "poor" to describe anyone, especially a fellow forum member. We all have our priorities, and they are based on our own calculus of values as well as income. Best not appear to be judging someone else's choices. Or touting one's own too much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 23:56:35 GMT
I have not ever seen any of those shows.
Me neither, but I was accused of doing so for some reason.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 14, 2017 0:02:39 GMT
I have not ever seen any of those shows Your loss, K2. Better than most movies we see. More time to develop characters and plots.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 4:32:17 GMT
Oh I know there are many fine shows out there. No way to see more than about 2%. I tend to gravitate more towards Franch and British series, as long as they are contemporary. I have no patience with period pieces.
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Post by patricklondon on Mar 14, 2017 8:09:21 GMT
Is there no free broadcast television anymore in North America? In France, even though television has been digital for years, there are 27 free broadcast channels, and the majority of people do not have cable or satellite television. Is this all just a case of diverging cultures? UK too. During the planning for the switchover from analogue to digital, the BBC got together with the other terrestrial broadcasters to launch a common broadcasting platform for digital, and later a similar arrangement for satellite broadcasting. Sky has run a subscription-based satellite service for decades now, and there were cable companies with their own deals serving relatively small markets, that later went into providing broadband and telephone service, and British Telecom went from telephone into broadband and now broadband broadcasting (massive investment in sport as their main attraction): but the common Freeview platform has now developed to take in internet-based channels and catch-up/on-demand services. So in London I get something like 110 free-to-air TV channels (an awful lot of them shopping or ultracheap tripe) and 30-odd radio channels, for no more than the BBC licence fee (and the cost of my patience during adverts on the commercial channels); plus now I have a smart TV I could pay for Netflix, Amazon and some other pay-to-view apps if I wanted (the Berlin Philharmonic has one), but there are enough that are free or advert-based. Not so much diverging cultures as pro-active regulation to keep as much as possible free-to-air.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 14, 2017 10:41:47 GMT
I love breaking bad. My fav recent series is Strike back. UK soldiers working for a murky entity and saving the world. One plot per season with subplots. Lots of ´fuck' ´ fuck me ´. Lots of kills. Lots of action. No brainer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 13:01:26 GMT
I am not attracted to series about bad people (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc.). I have to deal with enough bad people in real life.
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 14, 2017 13:16:50 GMT
Nor me. Just not my thing.
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Post by deyana on Mar 14, 2017 13:30:27 GMT
Yeah, same as K2, I'm not interested in watching misery on T.V. There's enough in the real world to deal with. Just look at any News channel and there it is.
Regarding 'Checking your privilege'. These are my thoughts on it, of course there is white privilege, I have been aware of this since I set foot in England for the first time when I was 5 years old. As a person of color living in a 99% plus (as it was at the time) white country it's very obvious that some have it easier than others. Much easier, they are indeed privileged for being born with white skin. Do I feel upset or bitter about it? No, at this point in time I couldn't care less. I know it's there, but to me, it's just one more thing that is imperfect in this world. One of many.
As those who have more money than others and so they feel privileged because of that, well yes, there are those out there too. We hear them boasting about their lives often enough. It's comes across as crass and gross, but they are blind to it. I admire those that have money, but you would never know it, they are still humble and kind and decent.
There's been some negative things implied about what K2 said or didn't say. I have known him for several years now, as long as anyone on here, if not longer and all I can say is he is a decent man, one of the best I have met on these forums, maybe his one fault is that he's too loyal, far beyond and more than he should be and more than others deserve. Really people need to stop jumping to conclusions, taking every word said and analyzing it and turning it around to mean something it was not meant to mean. I've lived without a T.V. for several years, means nothing to me. I have had nothing, and I have had a lot. I have rubbed shoulders with those who live on charity and I have lived with and known those who have millions. And still do. You really can't judge a person on monetary grounds. Some of the richest people are the most miserable. But then so are some of the poorest.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 14, 2017 15:21:14 GMT
The battle over healthcare in the US is exposing the privilege of the mostly white "representatives" we send to congress. They like GOP Care (Ryan Care) because it doesn't force people to buy something they don't want, but can't see that many won't be able to afford to purchase the "coverage" they would like because they have more pressing needs like food, rent, heat... The ER (emergency room) will serve as their health care "system" in the absence of universal coverage, and we'll all pay for it. But Congress (most of whom are millionaires) is oblivious to the struggles of the little guy...
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Post by whatagain on Mar 14, 2017 16:05:19 GMT
Pas de bras pas de chocolat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 16:30:10 GMT
I did not take K2's post as a joke and can see how it was offensive in some ways but, it spiraled in a direction that could easily have been curtailed way before some other even more offensive remarks were made.
It was an unfortunate incident.
As for privilege, I know and have experienced first hand growing up and being Polish who were treated as "dirty white trash", even more than Afro-Americans were. As a child it was very hurtful and I had no understanding of the whats and whys of it all.
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Post by deyana on Mar 14, 2017 17:46:07 GMT
Tim Wise: On White Privilege
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Post by chexbres on Mar 15, 2017 8:18:08 GMT
Here's something that might explain everything: brightside.me/article/what-you-should-think-about-before-you-judge-others-10155/
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 15, 2017 14:58:30 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Mar 15, 2017 16:15:02 GMT
I remember Polish jokes (jokes about Newfoundlanders are more common here) and my mother told me NEVER to tell them because calling Polish people inferior was something the Nazis did (among far worse things to Slavs, including Poles, Jews and Romani people). She was a war worker in Ottawa.
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Post by deyana on Mar 15, 2017 16:32:07 GMT
The Unequal Opportunity Race
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Post by fumobici on Mar 15, 2017 17:46:44 GMT
Tim Wise: On White Privilege Excellent. Rich folk perhaps didn't invent racism, but they have stoked and exploited it for their own ends for centuries and still do to this very day to divide and rule over working people. I'd expand it to conservatism/liberalism, another natural societal cleavage plane the ultra wealthy have exploited and still do today to divide and dis-empower ordinary working folk. The only ideology the ultra-wealthy have ever consistently held to is the ideology of greed and kicking down on everyone else.
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