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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 16, 2019 18:02:22 GMT
Thanks so much, Patrick! I really appreciate the in-depth analysis of the current political climate, especially since you're vacationing and not marinating yourself in the current stew of news.
I will re-read your answer a few times to try to get a better handle and to better understand any articles I read on the situation. Your explanation does make me feel better about my difficulties in understanding all of this!
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Post by lugg on Aug 16, 2019 19:20:29 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 16, 2019 19:59:39 GMT
Things have become so weird that I will not even rule out a temporary Corbyn.
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Post by mickthecactus on Aug 16, 2019 20:46:21 GMT
I'd have Ken Clark any day even though he's a remainer and I'm a leaver.
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Post by bjd on Aug 17, 2019 6:32:11 GMT
From what I have been reading, I think Corbyn is too divisive and they need someone seen as quite neutral to head a caretaker government. And with these guys who have been smelling power for so long, once they are in there,they will hang on like limpets to a rock so neither Johnson nor Corbyn should be considered.
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 17, 2019 16:44:56 GMT
Thank you, Lugg! Since I come from a severely divided two-party country, I am heartened and fascinated by stories such as the tactical voting one you posted. In my uninformed outsider way, when I was in London in June of 2017, I perceived Corbyn as a rather noble figure, rather than as the wishy-washy, obstructively ambitious & useless creature I now see him as. Still, he is not a Tory, a species of creature every bit as vile, venal and downright cruel as any of my country's Republicans.
Re: Ken Clarke ~ the very label "Conservative" gives me twitches, although his reasonableness in bucking the unreasonable tide of votes to trigger Article 50 is heartening. Also, again as someone from the USA, I would very much like to see someone of his age really shine on the world stage, the better to enhance my candidate's chances to become president of the US.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 20, 2019 14:29:05 GMT
I think that we are 72 days before Brexit. Is there enough time for a general election before then, or would it have to happen afterwards to try to clean up the mess?
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 20, 2019 14:56:20 GMT
Let's not forget what triggered this thread -- the fact that Ms. May called a snap election back in April of 2017. It appears an election can be pulled out of a hat when it suits those in power.
How much time passed between the announcement of a referendum (<-- not a binding vote!) on Brexit and the actual voting day?
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Post by patricklondon on Aug 21, 2019 7:39:36 GMT
How much time passed between the announcement of a referendum (<-- not a binding vote!) on Brexit and the actual voting day? The referendum was in the Tories' manifesto for the May 2015 election. Enabling legislation passed through Parliament in the autumn. The actual date in June 2016 was announced in February 2016, once Cameron had completed various agreements with the EU that he thought would deal with enough Eurosceptic concerns. It wasn't sprung on us out of nowhere.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Aug 21, 2019 8:17:18 GMT
Thank you Patrick. I do try to keep up with what's going on but wouldn't know where to stat if asked to explain it all. Re Ken Clarke OR Jeremy Corbyn. No. No no no no no! To be fair it is difficult to think of any MP with enough experience, respected across party lines able to step in and lead a Brexit party. I don't think that there's time anyway. I do think that there will be a last minute deal made just so that Johnson can claim that he successfully avoided a no-deal scenario. What a mess.
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Post by mossie on Aug 21, 2019 14:56:38 GMT
Two names there who would be high up the list for the guillotine which I fondly imagine will be set up in Parliament Square very soon. Unless the Westminster Wankers get their act together and drag us, kicking and screaming, out of the corrupt EU
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 21, 2019 15:59:55 GMT
Thank you, Patrick! All I knew was that there was pro and con campaigning before the June 2016 referendum, but pretty much nothing about everything else beforehand. The guillotine, huh Mossie?! Isn't that a continental innovation?
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Post by onlyMark on Aug 21, 2019 16:00:24 GMT
Dennis Skinner for Prime Minister!!! I may not always agree with his politics, but he his principled, intelligent, incorruptible and has a quick wit. Shame he's a bit too old now though. There are numerous exchanges he has had over the years in Parliament, one being -
“When posh boys are in trouble, they sack the servants.”
Another - "Skinner: “Half the Tory members opposite are crooks” House of Commons Speaker: “The honourable member MUST withdraw that remark” Skinner: “OK, half the Tories are not crooks”.
He is a legend.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Aug 21, 2019 18:03:55 GMT
Oh he would be great... altho don't think the current batch would form up behind him unfortunately...
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Post by lugg on Aug 21, 2019 19:12:52 GMT
And just to inject some humour which we ( or maybe its just me ?) sorely need
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Post by mossie on Aug 21, 2019 19:13:24 GMT
I agree, and with Frank Field they would make a great team.
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:29 GMT
Ha ~ good one, Lugg! (but also: )
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