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Post by kerouac2 on May 23, 2017 4:17:23 GMT
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Post by cheerypeabrain on May 23, 2017 7:08:08 GMT
It's appalling. A suicide attack, thousands of youngsters and their parents at the venue which is massive. 22 dead and 59 hospitalised. Children among them. It's awful.
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Post by lagatta on May 23, 2017 10:29:04 GMT
Yes, I read about this yesterday our time, but didn't post anywhere as I had nothing to say except that it was dreadful. All I could think of was the IRA bombing there 2 decades ago, causing massive damage but fortunately not killing anyone.
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Post by mossie on May 23, 2017 18:38:46 GMT
Just shows how despicable and depraved these people are. We must come down harder on those who support and encourage them.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 24, 2017 5:49:43 GMT
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Post by lagatta on May 24, 2017 7:41:08 GMT
Yes, and Trump blurts out just anything. That can get people killed.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 14:09:44 GMT
Yes, and Trump blurts out just anything. That can get people killed. Including himself. |
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Post by cheerypeabrain on May 24, 2017 15:16:49 GMT
He does seem a tad indiscriminate about information scatter...
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Post by lagatta on May 24, 2017 20:09:40 GMT
According to the Guardian, someone in US security leaked the name of the Manchester bomber before the police in the UK released it.
Huh? Do they not realise that could tip off his accomplices to hunker down, fast?
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Post by lagatta on May 25, 2017 10:26:31 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on May 25, 2017 13:05:49 GMT
Well, the French Minister of the Interior annoyed the British a little bit, too, because he repeated something the Americans had told him.
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Post by mossie on Jun 4, 2017 12:57:31 GMT
Nothing will stop me coming to this meeting, these evil w*gs must not be allowed to win.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jun 4, 2017 13:42:45 GMT
I'd caution the use of a certain word. I think we all know that it's a tiny group of murderous, misguided fanatics who are carrying out these attacks. Unfortunately it's likely to stir up anti-Islamist feeling again, which isn't going to help. They are CRIMINALS at the end of the day...not Muslims (even tho they claim to be so).
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Post by lagatta on Jun 4, 2017 14:44:13 GMT
I hate terrorists. I also hate racism.
Unless, of course, you mean footie spouses, AKA WAGS.
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Post by lagatta on Jun 5, 2017 9:33:33 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Jun 5, 2017 9:41:00 GMT
There is some funny stuff in that Lagatta which, as a Londoner, I can appreciate particularly the guy not letting go of his beer.
Mrs Cactus and I were discussing and saying it's like the IRA days when you never knew when or where a bomb would go off. And on a couple of occasions a bit too close for comfort.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 5, 2017 10:15:06 GMT
In fairness, back in the old (pre-Trump) days, the French Minister of the Interior could probably assume that it was okay to repeat something the Americans told him. By now everyone knows that Ariana Grande returned to Manchester and gave a benefit concert with other starts. The show went on even though the world was shocked by a terrorist attack in London some hours earlier. time.com/4804863/ariana-grande-manchester-concert/ |
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 5, 2017 10:25:09 GMT
I watched most of the concert on television since there was nothing else to watch on my 150 channels. I admired the quality of the audience but I was rather appalled by the quality of the out-of-tune or out-of-rhythm singers, except for Chris Martin who stood out compared to the others. I guess it goes to show how important rehearsals are for most of these singers, since they normally sound fine when they are prepared. This time, though, some of them had at most just 24 hours to figure out what to do and probably not all of their usual musicians.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 5, 2017 10:27:17 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Jun 5, 2017 10:37:11 GMT
I went with my daughter to concerts of Milly cyrus and Cody Simpson.
There were 95pc of kids - girls of 11 to 15 mostly.
All very excited.
Now our eldest goes to torout werchter and we ask ourselves if it is a good idea. ...
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Post by mickthecactus on Jun 5, 2017 10:50:12 GMT
Better check the Serpentine for suicide sharks....
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Post by mickthecactus on Jun 5, 2017 12:39:22 GMT
I'd never heard of Ariane Grande until the Manchester attack and now she has had more publicity that she could ever imagine.
Clouds and silver lining......
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Post by mossie on Jun 5, 2017 14:45:27 GMT
Sorry, I see I am being criticised for the use of a harmless acronym which stands for 'wily oriental gentlemen'. I think this is far less offensive than them, who openly call us 'kufrs'.
It has being lily livered about facing up to this problem that has got us into the situation where they are able to strike at will, while we stand by, wailing and wringing our hands.
Thank goodness the police have been ordered to respond forcefully and the present group ere shot quickly.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 5, 2017 15:08:24 GMT
I am quite satisfied that there has been an improvement on all sides over the handling since the last case -- no names or photos released yet. It is none of our business -- yet -- and there is no need to whet our curiosity until as many angles of the case have been examined as possible.
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Post by lagatta on Jun 5, 2017 15:20:55 GMT
Nothing to do with being lily-livered; I don't see anyone denying the existence of hyper-violent Islamist extremist movements. The problem is that they are a movement of a new kind, where the foot soldiers are recruited by social media (the same is also true nowadays of their white violent-far-right counterparts). It is a very tough nut for the police and authorities to crack. On of their crew here, a guy of white francophone stock, was a "normal" young man who drank beer and played sport. He was going through some kind of mental-health crisis and latched on to Daesh. He murdered a soldier at a nearby military base by hitting the latter with his car.
Perhaps someone in the Liberal Democrats made such a statement? I confess I hadn't really been following them, mostly the Conservatives and Labour, and a bit the SNP because of the issues of independence and Europe.
And kaffir or kufr is a very nasty word as well... So is calling young people on a night out "Crusaders".
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jun 5, 2017 18:39:46 GMT
Kerouac I have to agree with you about many of the artists performing at the concert last night. But the audience seemed to enjoy themselves..a young lady I used to work with was at the event, she told me that it was ALL brilliant from her perspective in the crowd. My brother was ranting about it being too soon and disrespectful to the bereaved...but I'm fairly sure that it left better memories than the last concert a lot of the audience went to a fortnight ago
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 5, 2017 18:49:43 GMT
I agree with you, Cheery. It can't have been easy to get up there and perform on the same stage again so soon after the tragedy, or even to attend the event.
I sent one of my sisters the link about "what makes Brit reel" and she wrote this back:
We need to remember that these are the same folks (kids, of, actually) who smoked cigarettes and calmly played cards in the underground during the bombings of London in WW2.
Stiff upper lip is a real thing!
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Post by lagatta on Jun 5, 2017 20:14:45 GMT
No, their grandkids, at least.
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Post by lagatta on Jun 6, 2017 9:31:17 GMT
I was heartened to see imams refusing funeral prayers to the bastards: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/imams-refuse-funeral-prayers-to-indefensible-london-bridge-attackersTraditionally even the worst scum are entitled to those; of course to me that brings to mind the Catholic Church refusing to "judge" Mafiosi, which often took the form of allowing elaborate funerals for murderers and druglords. That has changed too, at long last, but traces remain. I understand the idea that for religious people, only God can judge, but it is important to make such violent thugs utter outcasts. |
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