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Post by mickthecactus on Jul 8, 2018 13:14:49 GMT
Questa that is seriously awful. In a civilised country like Oz that is not acceptable.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 8, 2018 16:09:19 GMT
Those bosses should be charged. Obviously extreme heatwaves are not as common here as in Oz. But this past one was very extreme. As footie fans have seen, it was very hot in Russia at the same time, so it is not like the winter "Arctic oscillation" where the western and eastern parts of the northern parts of the Northern Hemisphere alternate mild and very cold winters. The problem here involves seniors (or some in late middle-age) who are socially isolated and probably have no contact with relatives, and few close friends. They were living mostly in small flats in postwar midrises (not in our old triplexes, which tend to have more air circulation due to the high ceilings). I thought this CBC article about how excessive heat can sicken or kill rather interesting: www.cbc.ca/news/health/why-heat-waves-kill-elderly-risk-1.4737544
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 8, 2018 16:59:45 GMT
In France, there are very precise rules for not continuing to work in certain temperatures. I presume that other countries have the same laws, but of course people who need the job put up with lots of illegal things if the boss is pressuring them.
In the heat wave of 2003 when France had a finger pointed at it due to the large number of deaths, it was later found that Italy actually had more deaths but had under reported them, not fraudulently but because of not really understanding the situation since it is "normal" for it to be hotter in Italy and they just didn't think it was the reason that all of the people were dying. However, per capita, there was another country that had more deaths than any other -- Luxembourg.
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Post by Kimby on Jul 8, 2018 17:05:53 GMT
Maybe you can pull off the Agnès Varda look. And now I know what this means. :-)
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Post by lagatta on Jul 8, 2018 17:09:23 GMT
Luxembourg? I presume you mean in relation to the total population...
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 8, 2018 17:11:39 GMT
That's why I said per capita.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 8, 2018 18:19:37 GMT
Sorry, read too fast. Missed that. Also one of the wealthiest countries in the world, per capita.
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Post by bjd on Jul 8, 2018 18:52:59 GMT
Ever since that 2003 heatwave, every year when summer is coming our municipality puts notices out about checking on older people around you, drinking enough, encouraging people to go to air-conditioned malls... It is certainly done all over the country, not just in the south.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 8, 2018 19:11:23 GMT
Sorry, read too fast. Missed that. Also one of the wealthiest countries in the world, per capita. ... but extremely un-air conditioned.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 8, 2018 19:33:37 GMT
Did they even need it until recently? I never thought of Luxembourg as particularly torrid.
When I lived in Italy, there was a very strong cultural dislike of air conditioning. It has made some inroads since, but still, only a minority of Italians have AC at home. Of course the traditional houses with their ceramic or marble (or other stone) floors and very thick walls are much cooler than the outdoors.
I dislike AC as well but am fortunate to have a mature Norway maple tree outside my office window and balcony. I also get quite a breeze. I was only uncomfortably hot during one day of the heatwave.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 8, 2018 23:00:12 GMT
I really hate AC.
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Post by questa on Jul 9, 2018 0:28:18 GMT
I should clarify the circumstances of the young men who died. None were from my state but from the states on the East Coast where they are not accustomed to such temperatures as we are. Each was new to the job and had no way of knowing what the temperature was. The bosses assumed the men had gone home, however they were punished for their inaction on the days. I have forgotten most of the details now.
As I type this it is almost mid winter, daily temps 14 C and 3 C at night and we are getting some useful rain.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 9, 2018 0:29:34 GMT
So do I. My friends in Italy, who are pretty much all university-educated, except for some who rose through the ranks to leadership positions in labour unions and from there to other things, do to, even my doctor friend in Perugia who bitched (I'm using that word positively, thinking of Darla and other lovely lady dogs) about the "silly girls" who wore spike heeled boots there in the winter, despite the icy stairs and slopes. Italians, male and female, love beautiful shoes, but now those exist in less ridiculous forms.
I was shocked to see the number of businesses in European cities with air conditioning and open doors. Oh, overall North America is doubtless worse with certain ijuts in power and the ridiculous SUVs designed for rural and remote areas in major urban centres, and not just in the US, but it struck me as odd. Supermarkets with high-tech enclosed freezers and refrigerated units, but the bloody open doors spewing refrigerated air onto the street.
In the Ageing process thread, I posted a CBC article on how heat and humidity can sicken and kill, but there are softer alternatives that do not aggravate global warming, which is lethal for such people. We need to combine state-of-the-art science with ancestral wisdom about how to live in extremes of heat and cold.
Questa, I was horribly sad about that - though I have no human children. The bosses knew, though. Young men often think they are invulnerable - they aren't. Here too young men pay a heavy price in terms of industrial accidents and related injuries, sickness and death. It is terribly sad.
And for those who think feminists don't care about men, nyah nyah...
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Post by whatagain on Jul 9, 2018 20:15:53 GMT
People who care about cats usually care about humans better than some humans who (may) have children.
Bon, anyway my wife had seens omething odd with a child but it turned out it is nothing. She can sleep better.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jul 9, 2018 20:18:04 GMT
Isn’t it ageing rather than aging?
(Pedant here)
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Post by Kimby on Jul 9, 2018 21:14:14 GMT
“Both refer to the process of growing old. The British spell the word ageing, while the Americans and the Australians tend to spell it aging. The two words are pronounced the same way. ... Both words ageing and aging are correct.”
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 9, 2018 21:16:19 GMT
But aging is more correct because it is American.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 10, 2018 0:23:59 GMT
In Canada it is usually ageing, but it doesn't really matter. Both forms are correct; the important thing is consistency and if you are a writer (translator, editor, sub-editor/copy editor) following your media's stylebook.
In recent months I've been working towards both UK and US English, which gets rather confusing. As well as Canadian English of course.
Canadian: Canadian Tire Centre UK: Canadian Tyre Centre US: Canadian Tire Center
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Post by questa on Jul 10, 2018 0:31:19 GMT
Australians mostly use ageing...but I am not judgeing!
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Post by Kimby on Jul 10, 2018 4:33:21 GMT
At least you have a sense of humour! ;-)
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Post by mickthecactus on Jul 10, 2018 9:39:59 GMT
But aging is more correct because it is American. Remember you only borrowed our language...
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Post by patricklondon on Jul 10, 2018 10:18:18 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Jul 10, 2018 10:34:13 GMT
Did you know that "arm lipo" is a thing? I just discovered it from a report from the US, of course.
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Post by whatagain on Jul 10, 2018 10:39:18 GMT
Seems ageing people pay more attention to wording and spelling. Would be easier to write in French. But even so, entreprise became enterprise in USA... At least we have the same spelling in Belgium, Switzerland and France, as well as Mali or Zaire or even Canada. Accents differ though. I once attended mass in Quebec city. The priest was of black origin (don't know where) but was since quite a few years in Canada. The mix between Quebec and African accent was fantastic. I laughed the whole time, and my friend finally kicked me out of the church...
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Post by lagatta on Jul 10, 2018 10:45:12 GMT
By the way, I discovered that "arm lipo" exists in Toronto. Probably here too... www.tcclinic.com/surgical/liposuction/arm/Is this a sign that one has too much money? Whatagain, some ageing people here have worked on wording and spelling for their entire lives...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 11:26:16 GMT
I can guarantee that if I named the thread using "ageing" I would have been called out.
(Years back I was questioned for using a British spelling).
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 10, 2018 12:33:52 GMT
Remember you only borrowed our language... It wasn't borrowed, it was legitimately carried along when the smart ones left. I thought it [aging] wasn't allowed in America, and that eternal youth is compulsory? Would that it were so! Shoot ~ I'd probably even move back to the States. Seems ageing people pay more attention to wording and spelling. " style="max-width: 100%;"] You'd better watch it, Buckaroo ~ it comes for all of us, you included. *cackle* By the way, I discovered that "arm lipo" exists in Toronto. Probably here too... Is this a sign that one has too much money? LaGatta, I know a petite woman in her sixties who is vibrant, slender, and quite attractive. Her good looks are only undercut by sagging, doughy upper arms that seem to belong to another person. Yes, attention to looks is superficial, but there are some "flaws" that I can understand a person wanting to correct.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 10, 2018 15:09:16 GMT
Oh, I agree. There are also very serious flaws or injuries etc that are NOT cosmetic surgery but plastic surgery.
Although I've lost a good bit of excess menopausal weight, I still wouldn't call myself "slender" but I'll probably have the same problem as while my legs look fine and my midsection has actually firmed up, but my arms haven't changed much. I wonder if there is any exercise your friend could do to improve her arm tone without surgery?
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 10, 2018 17:16:16 GMT
Supposedly the best arm exercise is to hold your arms as high as you can behind your back and try to touch your thumbs together.
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Post by Kimby on Jul 10, 2018 23:18:30 GMT
My shoulders cry out at the thought of doing that!
I’ve been raking gravel for my upper body workout. So far no noticeable difference.
My Mom had well-muscled upper arms into her 80’s. Canoeing and throwing rock while rip-rapping a sliding sandbank shoreline at the cabin were responsible, I think.
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