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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 15, 2018 8:00:54 GMT
This situation is certainly worthy of mention, but one thing that struck me after watching this video is that the population of Paradise, California was about double the population of Pompeii when Vesuvius erupted.
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Post by mossie on Nov 15, 2018 14:57:25 GMT
Very sobering. Somehow reminds me of the cine taken by the RAF of German towns after WWII, but these buildings were much less substantial and so little recognisable remains.
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Post by casimira on Nov 15, 2018 15:13:45 GMT
Tragic and oh so terrifying!!!! I can't even begin to imagine the angst and sorrow people are experiencing.
Reports have been citing PG&E being largely responsible for how out of control it has become.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 16, 2018 1:34:14 GMT
Horrific.
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Post by bjd on Nov 16, 2018 6:04:23 GMT
Tragic and oh so terrifying!!!! I can't even begin to imagine the angst and sorrow people are experiencing. Reports have been citing PG&E being largely responsible for how out of control it has become. What does PG & E mean?
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 16, 2018 6:38:35 GMT
People Googling and Eating.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 16, 2018 6:52:13 GMT
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 16, 2018 11:23:21 GMT
Not, People Gathering & Exercising then either?
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Post by lagatta on Nov 16, 2018 12:29:29 GMT
The houses seem to be built mostly of wood. Wooden houses are comfy and easy to insulate, but are they appropriate to the climate?
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 16, 2018 12:58:12 GMT
The thing is, in every part of the world houses are built out of the most abundant building material. In North America, it is wood. And the houses are not built to last in any case; it's a totally different philosophy.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 16, 2018 17:00:19 GMT
The houses are not built to last???! Where did you come up with that?
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 16, 2018 17:12:02 GMT
Simply because Americans marvel at anything more than 50 years old. Here is a bit of (slightly outdated) information about that: The Age of the Housing Stock by StateHowever, I assume that the ages are even lower now.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 16, 2018 17:42:16 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 16, 2018 19:16:16 GMT
Simply because Americans marvel at anything more than 50 years old. Oh for Christ's sakes! That is completely meaningless in terms of your statement that houses are not built to last. If you found a statistic showing that the mean age of a county's population, for instance, was fifty, would you conclude there were no old people?
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 16, 2018 19:24:21 GMT
Dream on.
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Post by questa on Nov 16, 2018 22:09:09 GMT
The houses are not built to last???! Where did you come up with that? Houses built in post WW2 are being knocked down and replaced with bigger modern styles. Houses built since the 70s are undergoing large renovations or being knocked down. Houses being built are aiming for a 40 to 60 yr lifespan. House sales often carry the advice to Decorate...Renovate...Detonate. The tradition of quarter acre blocks of land for houses is going as people buy up the houses, detonate then build 2-3 separate home units on the same blocks.Even these will be built for 50 year before replacement.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 16, 2018 22:15:48 GMT
That is also an industry site that would have a vested interest in "rebuilding" rather than renovating or maintaining older dwellings.
Where I live in Montréal is about 100 years old, and I've lived in much older places. Obviously there are no buildings here that date back to the Middle ages as the peoples who preceded French settlement were not fully sedentary, though in this climate zone they were agriculturalists (who also hunted) who lived in large villages of longhouses with wooden palissades.
I think building codes here require that buildings are faced with brick, stone or something similarly fire-resistant.
We are in North America, as is Mexico, with the largest city of the continent.
Questa, I have a friend who lives in Etobicoke, a former suburb of Toronto; now a borough, but very suburban in parts. Many postwar bungalows have indeed been pulled down to build larger dwellings.
Now she doesn't live there any more (thank God she broke up with the shit she was living with); she lives in what was an old electric industry building that has been converted into very nice flats and townhouses, next to a tram line.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 17, 2018 0:33:19 GMT
Questa, you make that statement as though that's how the average American lives. Yes, it can happen in areas that get "discovered" by the rich, but do you really think that's how I got the houses where I've lived in my life? "House sales often carry the advice to Decorate...Renovate...Detonate." Seriously? I'm going to wear out the rolling-eye emoticon.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 17, 2018 1:18:34 GMT
While I agree with you, I do believe questa was speaking about Australians. Toxic suburban sprawl infests many continents. And yes, even parts of Europe.
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Post by questa on Nov 17, 2018 5:32:09 GMT
Questa, you make that statement as though that's how the average American lives. Yes, it can happen in areas that get "discovered" by the rich, but do you really think that's how I got the houses where I've lived in my life? "House sales often carry the advice to Decorate...Renovate...Detonate." Seriously? I'm going to wear out the rolling-eye emoticon. You look so cute rolling your eyes! No, I was talking of Adelaide, South Australia where the catch-cry is Urban Infill and the flavour of the decade. What lagatta tells of her friend is typical...the key being close to public transport. The Govt is encouraging multi-storey apartment buildings and home owners are selling their homes on big blocks to become 2 storey units.Sometimes it becomes one unit for the owner and 2 for rental. The urban sprawl is ridiculous...with gently rolling hills there was nothing to stop developers from spreading north and south with minimum effort, and swathes of greenfields became "Ticky-tacky little boxes". The distance from N to S suburbs is 80.5 km as the crow flies. The drive to and from work is a nightmare as the Govt can't keep up with infrastructure. There were many old solid homes that were farmhouses but have (mostly) survived as art and craft outlets or food service The inner suburbs became gentrified and the People with Porsches bought up the 19th century cottages and called in the designers to restore them. Some bigger old homes were saved as offices for professionals. In fact Adelaide has a record of having so many gracious old buildings, and protecting them. My son bought a house in the Adelaide hills. It was just a little better than a shanty, it leaned and creaked. However the land was flat... He had the place demolished and built a nice home with pool. Sorry to create the misunderstanding Bixa and thanks lagatta for the good examples you gave.
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 17, 2018 7:00:28 GMT
The latest report I've seen say that "more than 1000 are missing". The assumption there is that there will be that number that are dead. Nope. Just sensationalism.
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Post by bjd on Nov 17, 2018 9:16:06 GMT
The latest report I've seen say that "more than 1000 are missing". The assumption there is that there will be that number that are dead. Nope. Just sensationalism. The correspondent for France24 yesterday talked about those numbers. She said that many people who have lost touch with relatives or friends add names to the list but sometimes the "missing" don't realize that anyone is looking for them and haven't reported in or had their names taken off the lists. Or older people who have no internet connection, or people with no cell phone coverage who are out of touch. So it's not so much sensationalism as it is disorganization, understandable in such conditions.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 17, 2018 10:56:14 GMT
Once they have grafted a GPS chip into all of us, the problem will disappear.
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Post by Whatencore on Nov 17, 2018 11:50:39 GMT
I read that DT blames California for lack of efficiency. His action plan is to cut subsidies. How logic. But hey he doesn't like californians.
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Post by bjd on Nov 17, 2018 11:56:14 GMT
And Californians don't like him? Encore?
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Post by whatagain on Nov 17, 2018 12:05:32 GMT
Californiens ate Smart.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 17, 2018 16:47:36 GMT
Sorry, Questa ~ but there was nothing to indicate that your post wasn't about the US! And yeah, parts of California are getting smarter. After all these years, the GOP stronghold of Orange County has turned blue.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 17, 2018 17:02:03 GMT
Just another place that he will allow to burn then.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 17, 2018 22:39:48 GMT
And so here he is. Yippee!
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 17, 2018 22:48:03 GMT
I can't watch the ugly son of a bitch, but am amused by the camouflage cap with orange (the color of flame?) USA on it. He apparently shares Melania's penchant for costuming.
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