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Post by questa on Dec 15, 2019 0:17:13 GMT
Looks like a lot of work has been done already. Are they trying to achieve 'as it was' or allowing some damage to remain as part of its history?
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 15, 2019 5:14:15 GMT
Too soon to say.
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Post by bjd on Dec 15, 2019 6:18:46 GMT
I saw a bit of that report and the chief architect said it's even too soon to say that the cathedral has been saved.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 15, 2019 6:27:32 GMT
That is known as the legendary French pessimism. It's just posturing to get additional praise when everything goes right.
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Post by bjd on Dec 15, 2019 9:52:09 GMT
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Post by mossie on Dec 15, 2019 11:02:05 GMT
Thanks for that English version, my French is not good enough to be able to follow the original.
And what a mess, that melted scaffolding is going to be an absolute nightmare to clear away. The falsework in the attempt to save the flying buttresses is a tour de force, but it will still be a very difficult job to restore them. As for sorting out the stonework stored outside, an almost impossible task. I agree with the commentator that M Macron's 5 year target looks impossible, add a zero is perhaps more realistic, although a bit pessimistic.
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Post by bjd on Dec 15, 2019 12:31:42 GMT
Thank you for teaching me a new word, Mossie. I didn't know about "falsework" but I agree that it looks really impressive.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 16, 2019 13:02:18 GMT
I agree with the commentator that M Macron's 5 year target looks impossible, I believe that the target is for the cathedral to be open to the public in 5 years, not for the restoration to be completed. I'm sure that plenty of areas will still be closed off. Meanwhile, they are hoping to reopen part of the plaza in front of Notre Dame by spring.
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Post by htmb on Dec 16, 2019 13:07:49 GMT
Interesting idea. I’m wondering where they’ll store all the equipment and catalogued building materials since the whole plaza is completely filled with these items. Also, what would really be the point of opening part of the plaza?
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 16, 2019 16:54:05 GMT
People want to get closer.
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Post by htmb on Dec 16, 2019 18:33:54 GMT
No doubt you’re right, but it’s a ridiculous reason in my opinion.
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Post by lugg on Dec 16, 2019 19:16:21 GMT
Such a mammoth task
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 26, 2019 6:03:28 GMT
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Post by Kimby on Dec 27, 2019 18:42:26 GMT
News reports are giving 50-50 odds of being able to SAVE the cathedral AT ALL. 😢
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 27, 2019 18:44:36 GMT
Oh, that is sensationalist ridiculousism! Something that Trump would tweet.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 2, 2020 16:25:30 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Feb 3, 2020 1:10:07 GMT
Un grand merci à K2 et aux autres.
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 3, 2020 2:48:29 GMT
This is really reconstructive surgery! Just remarkable to see what's being done & how they're doing it. Fabulous pictures, Kerouac.
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 4, 2020 16:41:01 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 4, 2020 17:00:51 GMT
Indeed excellent news.
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Post by lagatta on Feb 5, 2020 0:19:53 GMT
I'm so happy to hear that. Humans have been working overtime to screw up nature, but fortunately she is resilient.
This does NOT excuse Trump and his trophy-hunter sons, Bolsonaro or Scott Morrison.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 15, 2020 10:47:19 GMT
Here is a little parallel event to the work being done on Ile de la Cité. The Compagnons du Devoir is the most admired apprenticeship association in France and dates from the Middle Ages. It accepts young people starting at age 15 to learn a variety of trades under the supervision of certified compagnons who have accomplished all of the arduous tasks required to be certified. One of the most important stages of the apprenticeship is to do a Tour de France (nothing to do with the bicycle race) and work with artisans all over the country to learn variations of methods and different materials. Of course, now the "tour de France" can take place anywhere in the world, and another reason for it is to learn to share and socialise with other craftspeople. Being able to work with others is one of the requirements for final certification upon presentation of their chef d'oeuvre (masterpiece). There is an interesting Wikipedia description if you want to know more about all of this. Anyway, some of the local students of the Compagnons du Devoir built a 3/4 scale model of a section of the wooden roof frame of Notre Dame. It was displayed along the Canal de l'Ourcq in Pantin for a few days, so I went to see it. i.postimg.cc/V6cqCvDH/P1020301.jpgi.postimg.cc/T20VKRmC/P1020302.jpgi.postimg.cc/sxT7qcyt/P1020303.jpgNaturally, everything was assembled as per the building methods of 900 years ago with no iron nails or other such materials. i.postimg.cc/SK9LRC7M/P1020304.jpgi.postimg.cc/kGJWTZrQ/P1020305.jpgi.postimg.cc/PxzmzH7f/P1020306.jpgAs for the restoration of the actual cathedral, I don't think it has been decided yet if they will use a wooden structure or more modern materials.
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 15, 2020 17:05:07 GMT
That is really interesting!
If it were up to me, I'd say to use modern materials for the restoration -- stuff that doesn't burn -- and have models on display showing things like this roof structure in miniature. I've only ever poked my nose into Notre Dame, but it seems that all old cathedrals have display areas along with the actual church sections.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 31, 2020 15:52:30 GMT
Today was a big day at Notre Dame. Part of the parvis was reopened to the public, about half of it. The media were present since both Mayor Hidalgo and Franck Riester, the Minister of Culture, were there for the event. I saw that Anne Hidalgo sneaked away abruptly. Franck Riester tried to follow her, but he was trapped by the media. I was surprised to see that a statue person was already honing his craft even though there are no tourists yet.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 31, 2020 16:03:21 GMT
Aha! I found that Mayor Hidalgo was having a takeaway coffee around the corner. (She and the Minister of Culture are political adversaries by the way.) People behind Notre Dame were appreciating the perfect weather. There is new low income housing behind the cathedral. The weather was really perfect today for baking on the quays. I always inspect the progression of the work. They have built big new platforms to assist with the renovation. "They" are claiming that the work is still on schedule. We won't know for a few years…
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Post by mossie on May 31, 2020 16:07:34 GMT
Good to see progress.
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Post by Kimby on May 31, 2020 16:44:36 GMT
Had to google “parvais”. As I suspected, it means “forecourt” in English.
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Post by htmb on May 31, 2020 17:43:35 GMT
I remember scoffing about it before, but now suppose it is nice to have a good bit of the parvis opened in front of the cathedral. It was always a tourist hang-out spot, so I suppose it will again serve that purpose once more traveling is allowed and the crowds begin to return.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 31, 2020 18:20:02 GMT
And the government again said today that Notre Dame will open on 16 April 2024. Naturally, they have not said if 100% of it will open.
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Post by questa on Jun 1, 2020 2:37:48 GMT
I'm sure there is a good reason for covering this outbuilding. I just don't know what it is. Looks like the Holy Ghost to me.
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