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Post by lagatta on Oct 15, 2019 10:59:35 GMT
There is a similar cemetery in Buenos Aires, Recoleta: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Recoleta_Cemetery I copied the English address, though obviously it is also in Spanish, Italian and other languages. I think the New World one is actually a bit older.
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Post by bjd on Oct 15, 2019 14:18:18 GMT
Recoleta is much smaller and mostly made up of little houses. Not much statuary but lots of stray cats. It attracts people who come to look at Eva Peron's tomb.
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Post by fumobici on Oct 15, 2019 18:29:31 GMT
Recoleta reinds me of the cemetery at San Mineato del monte in Florence.
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Post by lagatta on Oct 15, 2019 20:02:08 GMT
I'd rather feed stray cats than visit Evita...
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 16, 2019 3:08:08 GMT
Off the top of my head, I would say that "obviously" the cemetery in Argentina was influenced by Italian sensibility, but that's undoubtedly too pat. Looking at the monuments in Staglieno, I felt so many displayed a Victorian sensibility, a period coinciding with the making of much of Staglieno. It's kind of a chicken/egg question, as that sort of sentimentality and artistic expression was pretty widespread at the time. In my poking around, I came upon two more sculptors represented in Staglieno: dir.md/wiki/Santo_Varni?host=en.wikipedia.org
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Post by questa on Oct 16, 2019 13:29:23 GMT
Well...I finally found the Russian cemetery photos I posted aeons ago, mostly in the wrong places.The first few show the great composers graves and are to be found at
In Port > cemeteries > page 4 > reply 113
The second few show the older cemetery and some are quite bizarre
Compass points > Europe > Russia > post started by waterhazardjack page 1 > reply 22. Starts with the tombs of the Tsar and family in the Cathedral.
Happy hunting!
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Post by Brenda Jorgensen on Apr 22, 2021 21:44:28 GMT
Beautiful work and story telling here, thank you for sharing it x
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 22, 2021 23:27:36 GMT
I so much appreciate your kind comment, Brenda, and am happy that you enjoyed the report.
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Post by mossie on Apr 23, 2021 7:16:44 GMT
Can't remember this grand tour, but a worthy effort at a difficult subject.
When you reported the grave slabs rocking beneath your feet I worried for your health. That is the signal that they are welcoming you in!
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 23, 2021 15:07:35 GMT
Yikes ~ I didn't think of that, Mossie!
I like cemeteries and don't think of them as scary places, but there were a few times in that one that I had the creeps. Once was in getting into an intersection of those interior corridors that all looked alike, plus there were many pigeons & their accompanying poop. Trying to avoid the flying rats and pick my way along some boards on the floor covering damaged graves, I got turned around and confused and mildly panicky.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 23, 2021 16:26:04 GMT
First time I have seen your report from 2019 Bixa. When I was hospitalized for my hip replacement I spent many months away from Anyport so am glad to have eventually caught up with some of your reports. This was par excellence!
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 23, 2021 16:36:06 GMT
Bixa and I both often regret that so many reports go unseen when the focus is not already on things that people know that they like. Actually, I wouldn't mind if there were not the constant threat of the photos disappearing without warning as has happened so many times.
One consolation is the fact that people around the world come across some of these reports with the help of Google and other search engines. I cannot stress enough the importance of giving your own reports a name that will help people find them and not something like "What I did yesterday" or "On the dusty road."
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 23, 2021 19:52:29 GMT
Thanks so much, Tod! One way the rest of us have benefited from your catching up after your enforced time away is that you often spark new interest in an older post that you missed the first time around. So thanks for that, too. I believe that forums fill a specific need for human discourse that cannot be served by the evanescent nature of most social media. It is my fear that the combination of tiny phone screens, the ease of clicking rather than responding fully on social media, and mental laziness could eventually kill forums. I also believe that many people either don't know about forums or confuse them with blogs. This is where we can get social media to help us. It is true that bots help people find anyport threads via search engines and that it's easier to get found if titles specific to the subject are used. But social media can be an enormous force in getting our forum seen. For instance, I linked this thread to a comment thread on facebook less than 24 hours ago. Since then, it has been seen well over 200 times, plus a guest drew renewed attention to it here. This is certainly not the most impressive response ever from linking in other places, but it gives you an idea of how much interest is out there. I find facebook excellent for quickly sharing information, but inadequate in terms of illustrated story-telling because of its limits in organization & layout. That is one of the prime objectives and uses of anyport -- to be able to tell a story or report on something in your own way and to illustrate it or not. Once you have posted such a thread on the forum, it is infinitely findable again and infinitely shareable via a single link. And the regular users of anyport who do not wish to make reports also keep the forum lively by sparking or responding to ongoing discussions. I feel that there are people out there who would like to be introduced to forums and their uses. It is my hope that all of us will continue spreading the word of this particular type of online discourse and this particular forum, whether or not we see our efforts immediately bearing fruit.
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Post by fumobici on Apr 24, 2021 5:55:13 GMT
Forums like this definitely provide a rich medium that the intrinsically more ephemeral social media cannot. I can't appreciate the wonderful photo essays people post here on my phone, so I wait until I get home and can view this site on a big ass screen as it should be. But I'm probably a dinosaur at this point, people consume media on their phablets almost exclusively today.
I'm just digging scrolling through this report again as it got bumped up to the recent posts feed. What a wonderful report! I'll be back to Genova before too long I hope and I hope to post my own lame-ass copycat report from this same place. Bixa, maybe you can revisit this amazing city and do a report on the Gonovan funiculars to balance it all out.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 24, 2021 19:17:39 GMT
Thanks so much, Fumobici, both for your validation of forum as a viable and distinct platform and for your very kind compliments to this thread. But I cannot let your use of "lame-ass copycat" stand as any way ever describing your reports. All of your reports are infused with your perspective and insight & totally stand on their own excellent merits.
I do think it's interesting that you brought up our different choices of what to see and what to skip on a particular visit. It's worth mentioning again that we both pretty much chose using the eeny-meeny-minie-mo method. Probably all tourist visits involve those choices, except for the people willing to rush and check everything off a list. Thanks for reminding me of a stellar reason to re-visit Genoa.
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Post by questa on Apr 24, 2021 21:59:27 GMT
I was going to say, "What a feast of funerary art!" but maybe that is a tad insensitive. I can't add anything to this incredible photo essay but I have some practical questions. With so much marble on display is it close to marble quarries? I can imagine most of the larger pieces were carved in situ. Some of the newer pieces have carved faces and photographs of the deceased. Are they a good resemblance or does the carver pretty them up a bit? There appeared to be very few people around. Of course you would have waited for a clear pic, but was it as empty as it seems?
Above all a brilliant piece of photo-journalism. You must be so proud of it.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 24, 2021 23:25:02 GMT
Thanks, Questa! The last post in reply #25 has some information which should answer some of your questions. About the proximity to marble quarries, I found this article, which was published in 1907. A quote from it: ... the quarries of Carrara ... supply the bulk of the marble used in Italy ... for sculpture and other ornamental work. ... These deposits are quite accessible, especially since the principal workings are now reached by a railway which connects them with the principal shipping point—the little seaport of Avenza on the Gulf of Liguria. ... [the marble from the quarries] is placed on sailing vessels and small steamers [in Avenza] and carried to Genoa and Leghorn, where there are extensive marble works.re: emptiness -- it was raining on and off that day, often quite hard, so not the best day for being outside.
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Post by fumobici on Apr 25, 2021 1:46:40 GMT
Thanks, Questa! The last post in reply #25 has some information which should answer some of your questions. About the proximity to marble quarries, I found this article, which was published in 1907. A quote from it: ... the quarries of Carrara ... supply the bulk of the marble used in Italy ... for sculpture and other ornamental work. ... These deposits are quite accessible, especially since the principal workings are now reached by a railway which connects them with the principal shipping point—the little seaport of Avenza on the Gulf of Liguria. ... [the marble from the quarries] is placed on sailing vessels and small steamers [in Avenza] and carried to Genoa and Leghorn, where there are extensive marble works.re: emptiness -- it was raining on and off that day, often quite hard, so not the best day for being outside. There's a locally famous quarry for veined black marble near La Spezia in Tuscany but not too far from Genova, but it's not really for figural statuary. La Spezia is a cool harbor town that never gets mentioned.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 25, 2021 2:27:37 GMT
Thank you! The more I learn of the region, the more I want to go back. La Spezia is now on the list. I did not include this article with the ones I linked for Questa above, partly because it is weirdly printed, with duplicate paragraphs and partly because of how exhaustive it is. That is hardly surprising, since it's from Stone World magazine. There are a number of surprising and interesting facts in it, including how billiard slate is produced and a quite nice rundown on churches in Genoa & the surrounding area which feature exceptional use of stone. www.stoneworld.com/articles/85820-exploring-liguria-s-stone-heritageThis also popped up when I went looking for La Spezia. It makes you want to make a giant Hollywood historical epic ~ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luni,_Italy
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Post by fumobici on Apr 25, 2021 3:06:44 GMT
I misspoke as it were, La Spezia is in Liguria rather than Tuscany. It should be in Tuscany but they did a funny with the border around it.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 25, 2021 21:37:32 GMT
That was a tiny mistake that came out of your knowledge of the area, since La Spezia is smack on the border.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 26, 2021 9:01:11 GMT
I've been to La Spezia - in 1980. Not intentionally but because it was where we landed up after travelling from Germany in our campervan. I do not have fond memories. It was my first trip overseas with our two year old and the campsites along the coastline were of a very poor standard. Overgrown with grass and unkept buildings and "weird" people. The one vehicle tunnels were frighteningly dark and put me off the whole area on the side of the mountainous roads. I started to relax when we arrived in Positano on the way to Nice. I never saw any marble goings on there, but we did pass marble quarries after entering Italy but I think it was long before La Spezia..
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