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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2009 16:40:45 GMT
Previously mentioned by Bixa in Successful Landscapes,the Antique Rose of yesteryear,more fragrant,disease resistant,graceful and downright elegant. Some do better in different climates. There are shrubs,climbers,floribundas,teas,musks,Chinas,Bourbons,Teas... Here are a couple of my favorites that do well here.  This is Madame Alfred Carriere,a climber |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2009 16:49:49 GMT
 Souvenir De Malmaison, a Bourbon rose,Introduced 1843 |
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 28, 2009 17:40:12 GMT
They're so gorgeous, so integral to our whole idea of gardening lushness! This link to the Historic Roses Group gives a brief overview of the jewels to be found among the antique roses. Rose lovers will be familiar with the work of Pierre-Joseph Redouté, who was commissioned by Joséphine Bonaparte to paint the specimens in her Chateau de Malmaison garden. This group of prints is not only beautiful, but a lovely way to become acquainted with antique roses. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 0:32:42 GMT
 Sombreuil.a tea climber,marvelous performer,fragrant,one of my all time favorites Note the dark green glossy foliage |
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Post by tod2 on May 27, 2013 12:07:26 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on May 27, 2013 15:33:16 GMT
Congratulations. That's a lovely rose & your photos are prettier than the ones in the catalogues.
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Post by bjd on May 27, 2013 18:44:38 GMT
A lovely rose, casimira. Mine are blooming now, but the rain and wind are not doing them any good.
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Post by spindrift1 on May 27, 2013 19:51:11 GMT
I can talk about Old Roses for days on end! I simply love them. Casimira? have you heard of David Austin Roses? here is the link....http://www.davidaustinroses.com/english/advanced.asp I send for my roses from his company. I am so lucky to live near the famous Mottisfont Abbey Old Rose gardens at Kings Somborne, Hampshire www.nationaltrust.org.uk/mottisfont/ . I try to visit every June when old roses are at the height of their beauty. Perhaps, this year, I should go and make a note of the name of each rose. I once planted a long border with the old rose 'Mary Rose'. It was very effective. All the same pale pink. I shall list the old roses I have planted over the years....Madame Alfred Carrier was one of them. She was climbing over an old brick wall...the Rambling Rector was another. He climbed all over our garage! Constance Spry was yet another! |
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Post by htmb on May 27, 2013 20:00:30 GMT
Tod, the pictures of your roses are marvelous.
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Post by spindrift1 on May 28, 2013 11:35:06 GMT
Yes, tod...your roses are perfect and at their peak...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 11:35:15 GMT
Gorgeous Tod! Spindrift, to answer your question about the David Austin roses... I am familiar with them yes, but, they don't perform real well here. I've seen gorgeous specimens in NYC, 'Evelyn' being one of my favorites. Curiously, I've been told by a horticulture friend of mine that some have been cultivated specifically for the Deep South and I believe will be available to the trade sometime this year. I hope to find out more and perhaps procure a couple of them when I visit my friend in Georgia in the upcoming weeks. Up until now they tend to be ultra prone to black spot and mildew.  |
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Post by bjd on May 28, 2013 12:22:50 GMT
I also have a David Austin rose but I am not sure it was developed for anywhere other than England. It looks nice when it blooms, but gets black spots quite fast and doesn't like the heat.
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Post by bixaorellana on May 28, 2013 14:15:29 GMT
There are David Austins that will perform in heat and humidity, but it's partly a matter of selecting very carefully and hugely a matter of luck. I had a few David Austins in Louisiana, but slightly north of where Casimira is, plus close to the lake, so more breeze. One rule for choosing old roses less likely to have black spot is to avoid any that have a yellow rose in their parentage. That's because the disease was introduced by a yellow rose ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_foetida). It's an overly broad way to select, but maybe worth it to keep black spot away. Another way is to get all of your roses from cuttings of neighbors with very old, minimally tended roses -- a slow & iffy system. If you have the luck to know an anti-chemical gardener or garden center, they might be able to advise on which old roses will thrive in your area. One interesting thing I learned with old roses was that the rugosas really hate any chemical fertilizer, including even diluted ones sprayed on their foliage. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 23:00:31 GMT
Once you've seen David Austin roses perform in all their glory, it's painful to see one in all its paltriness...
There is a garden on the Upper East side of Manhattan, tucked away behind a large cathedral, St. John the Divine, that has a huge collection of David Austin roses.
I visited this garden back in the 90's and was blown away...I tried a few here and was sooooooo disappointed.
Good air circulation does seem to be a must with them.
I had forgot that little tidbit of information about yellow roses and their being prone to black spot. I do recall now. I'm not mad about yellow roses anyway.
And, yes, most certainly I agree with eye-balling roses that perform well in one's own locale and procuring cuttings.
The Antique Rose Society here in NOLA has a sale of beautifully tended specimens twice a year and I try to make it to at least one of their sales.
All their roses come from member's gardens.
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Post by bixaorellana on May 28, 2013 23:22:37 GMT
Well, the sneaky thing about the yellow rose heritage is that the offspring -- including down to great-great grandchildren -- aren't necessarily yellow.  The Antique Rose Society sales must be excruciatingly frustrating! So many roses, and there's a limit to any space.  |
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