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Post by lagatta on Nov 4, 2021 16:27:57 GMT
These things should be online nowadays. I've certainly benefited from interpreting at global meetings (including one connected with IPCC-GIEC) and interpreting online is horrible, but this COP should earn an oil-well award for unsustainability. Remember that just before, there was a G20 in Rome and I doubt that everone attending both travelled by railway...
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2021 16:33:12 GMT
As I posted in reply #10, that would be a good way to ignore all of the small countries that are suffering the most. An online event would just glorify the rich countries.
But yes, some of the (rich) countries are too physically present with enormous teams of unnecessary people. The poor countries could barely afford to attend to try to be heard.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 5, 2021 17:08:46 GMT
Whether or not we sometimes find Greta Thunberg a bit irritating, I have to say bravo for her honest appraisal of what is happening.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 7, 2021 18:46:04 GMT
Typical of people with that type of condition. I'm sure Alan Turning must have equally annoying at Bletchley.
Overall, I agree with her, except for her over-confidence in younger and future generations - I certainly know millennials who are as interested in consuming piles of superfluous crap as older people...
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 7, 2021 19:22:03 GMT
As an older person we aren’t all the same,
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Post by lagatta on Nov 8, 2021 17:30:12 GMT
Of course not. Perhaps I expressed myself poorly - I thought Greta was stereotyping older generations. I know a fellow nearby who was an MD who pioneered community clinics here. Thus he earned relatively little for a doctor, and always lived modestly. He was born in 1937 and still rides his bicycle everywhere and lives in a smallish flat. He is just one example among others I know ... or knew.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 8, 2021 17:45:43 GMT
The main thing is that very few of us here seriously worry about how the world will be in 2050, but the millenials think about it all the time.
I remember when a number of presidents, prime ministers and major politicians were pooh-poohing environmental issues of the future because "they'll figure it all out in time."
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Post by tod2 on Nov 11, 2021 16:36:25 GMT
What I find sad is that she seems to be reading a script written for her. Her continual referral to the piece of paper she holds is a very poor reflection of what she really wants to say...Yes, more Blah blah blah. Good for you Greta performing in a Jean DÁrc appearance, but you do not know the whole story. These Leaders you admonish for being so wrong in their calculations are mere puppets of government. They are no more in charge than you are.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Nov 12, 2021 17:47:05 GMT
I have a lot of time for young Greta and think that she is quite inspiring. I know that not all 'young people' care about climate change and the destruction of the environment etc..but they are the ones who will have to deal with the consequences..
Mind you, I went to a lecture back in the 90s given by an environmental scientist who claimed that before 2050 the world will run out of sufficient clean water.
We are definitely more aware now, try not to use single use plastics, buy less, try not to waste any food at all (even if it means giving stuff away), buy in-season fruit and veg, eating even less meat (not that we ate much to begin with), recycle everything that we can, don't use pesticides in the garden, take showers instead of baths, blah blah blah
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 12, 2021 18:04:49 GMT
Old people across the globe still view Greta as just an insolent teenager. I just wish we had more insolence of her caliber.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 12, 2021 18:47:52 GMT
The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Tuvalu, the very first country that will be completely submerged by climate change, made his point very clear.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 13, 2021 21:52:45 GMT
And so the world now has a new climate pact, only two days late. India was the last holdout and demanded in the final statement that the phrase "phase out" be replaced with "phase down" regarding coal. What a sad world, still rushing to hell.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 14, 2021 19:08:35 GMT
The consensus is that COP 26 was a complete disappointment, barely "better than nothing." I suppose this is a tad better than "worse than nothing" but it isn't an adequate consolation. Greta's "blah blah blah" resonates more than ever.
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Post by tod2 on Nov 15, 2021 9:17:01 GMT
Yes indeed Kerouac. I think that as she comes across as "Än insolent teenager", maybe - You get the feeling her elders at COP 26 are dragging their heels so that they don't have to stand up and admit out loud that everything she says is right on target......I mean, how can a little pip-squeek show us how it should be done - I hear them mumble! Maybe her youth is preventing her words taking hold in their brains. I don't know.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 15, 2021 10:49:01 GMT
Anyway one of the newspapers here today had the headline "Flop 26."
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