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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 17:21:37 GMT
I can't help feeling sorry for these women who went under the knife or had some other kind of cosmetic procedure done in order to improve the way they look. It looks like some surgeons are cutting corners in this tough economic market, in order to save money and horrors like the following are becoming more and more common. Just terrible. Link: yesboleh.blogspot.com/2009/01/plastic-surgery-nightmares.html
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Post by spindrift on Nov 5, 2009 11:57:13 GMT
Yeah, I won't bother with facelifts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2009 15:49:48 GMT
Me neither...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2009 20:31:12 GMT
It is really hard to decide in many cases whether cosmetic surgery is worth it. Obviously, I am in favor of it for those who have been born disfigured or who have had terrible accidents.
It is much more difficult to determine whether it should be done or not just because certain people have a complex about their looks or about the aging process. I believe that psychiatric help is more useful than surgical help in such cases.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 5, 2009 21:28:19 GMT
Anyway soon cosmetic surgery options will be second choice because gene therapy is underway and once a method is found for irreversibly lengthening the telomeres on individual genes, then ageing will be reversed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 5:54:48 GMT
Like in Benjamin Button?
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Post by auntieannie on Nov 6, 2009 13:05:06 GMT
frightening thought.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 6, 2009 13:26:29 GMT
I'm not sure how age-reversal would happen ...when I was in Switzerland recently I was shown an article about it in a medical journal ,by a German doctor. Unfortunately I can't understand German but could tell the gist of the article from the pictures. The doctor hadn't time to translate it for me but he confirmed that this was the case regarding the telomeres.
jist/gist?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 14:41:15 GMT
I'm sure it will all be just like in a L'Oréal commercial.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 19:37:51 GMT
One of the advantages of having darker skin (like myself), is that we tend not to get wrinkled until later in life. Not always the case though, genetics probably play a big part in it. I'm much like my dad in that way, he had very few wrinkles until he was well into his late 60's. People often think I'm a lot I'm younger then I actually am.
What gets me is that some of those women in the link, were not that bad looking to begin with, so why go through all that surgery? I think you have a point, Kerouac, maybe the problem is more psychological then anything else...
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Post by cristina on Nov 6, 2009 22:18:33 GMT
Well, I will confess right now that I have had cosmetic surgery. This week, in fact. I had a medically necessary upper eyelift (my vision was impaired and insurance covered it). However I decided while I was having that done to have a non-medically necessary lower eyelift. If I hadn't required the first procedure, its unlikely that I would have considered the second at all. I have absolutely no issues with aging or looking my age. But more than that, I wouldn't risk the complications of anesthesia for vanity's sake. But I have to say I don't regret this week's procedure one little bit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2009 0:02:57 GMT
I'm glad it went well for you, cristina.
Anesthesia would worry as much as having the procedure done, but sometimes there's not a lot we can do about it, as in necessary surgery etc.
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Post by lagatta on Nov 7, 2009 2:25:52 GMT
I don't have the money to have it done, so it is a moot point. Have trouble affording teeth care (which strangely is not covered by our otherwise excellent public healthcare, except to a limited extent to the truly indigent and perhaps some other small groups). I have practically no wrinkles at all - I have beautiful skin. I'm not as dark as deyana but darker than blonde, pinky-skinned people, perhaps that plays a part. But the skin on my throat is losing it elasticity a bit - calling it a "double chin" would be a gross exaggeration, but I don't have the beautiful heart-shaped face I had as a younger cat. And that pisses me off mightily. I have no idea what I'd do if I had more money, as I have no need even from a vanity standpoint for a full-on facelift, and the mini lift under the chin doesn't mean taut unexpressive skin. I'd probably do it if it were necessary professionally.
Deformities, accidents, cancers and other potentially mutilating diseases - in that case I think the risk from surgery may well be less than the risk of losing one's bodily integrity and wanting to die.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 8, 2009 21:04:54 GMT
Cristina - ah! I've just read about your procedure. I'm glad for you that's it's over and I'm sure you'll be very pleased with the result. I would! Lagatta, I'd love to see a picture of your heart-shaped face - go on, show us
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 15:58:06 GMT
I bet Lagatta is one lovely looking woman. Yes, I'd like to see a pic. too.
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Post by gertie on Apr 14, 2010 1:34:47 GMT
In my own case, I am personally considering plastic surgery sometime in the next year. My issue is that I had several surgeries as a young woman and the scar tissue in my lower abdomen is giving me issues, so my doctor wants to go in, remove all the adhesions and scars, and then when it healed up I would have just the one healing instead of what I have now. Various surgeries were done around and about each other. Well, it turns out my insurance covers if I have it done by a doctor, or if I have it done by a plastic surgeon, who would also do more to make it look well, instead of just snip out the bad and sew it up as a regular doc would do. I saw a plastic surgeon, and he has suggested I also have a bit of a tuck while I am at it, as he will have me open and right where they cut for those anyway. I've always been a bit against vanity surgery, but it does seem to me since the procedure is right there anyway, might as well go ahead. It costs the same out of my pocket either way, and I will not be under anesthesia more than a few moments more, at most. Quite possibly, I will even be under less with the plastic surgeon than with my regular surgeon because while the regular general surgeon does all sorts of stuff, my plastic surgeon is from a fair sized practice and therefore specializes in tummies.
As you can see, I am talking myself into this quite handily! ::)LOL!
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Post by spindrift on Apr 14, 2010 9:04:43 GMT
Gosh! you are one brave woman, Gertie. Keep us informed as to what happens. I've had two caesarian sections so I know about the cutting through of the lower abdomen. It was most unpleasant but I have a minimal scar and luckily no pain from severed nerves. Perhaps there are fewer nerves in the abdomen than in the chest region. I'm thinking of something else here. If I were you I'd go ahead and get it done ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2010 11:12:25 GMT
I hope it all goes well for you gertie. I think going to someone who specializes in that kind of surgery is the way to go.
Spindrift, my sister had to have three C-sections when she had her kids. She found it quite painful after though and it took a long time for the incision to heal. It's good that yours worked out well and with no pain, that was lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2010 14:34:12 GMT
Even I can see the point of cosmetic surgery if they are cutting somebody open anyway. If the doctor says "why don't I fix this detail while I'm at it?" it doesn't seem as outrageous as pure vanity.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 14, 2010 15:53:23 GMT
Deyana - there's no pain in my C-sections scars at the present time....but they were a long time healing when I underwent the surgery.
I had a lung biopsy ten years ago...I do have a lot of pain in that scar tissue. I don't think much can be done about it. It seems to come and go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2010 21:35:09 GMT
I hope the pain is not too bad, Spinny. Yes, C-section is quite a major operation, my sister struggled with her OP for some time afterwards.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 15, 2010 8:35:01 GMT
I have talked with a plastic surgeon about how to resolve nerve pain in scar tissue. He offered to open up the old wound, cut out the old healed tissue and try to re-connect the nerves properly. I'm not sure it would be worth the time and effort involved not to mention the cost.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2010 10:39:09 GMT
I don't think I would bother with it, might be more risk for not a lot of result.
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Post by spindrift on Apr 15, 2010 11:01:28 GMT
Yes, that's what I thought. It was interesting, however, to learn that the plastic surgeon would have a go at it....just to get a large fee I imagine. I wonder what the REAL chances of improvement would be? would have to find someone honest to answer this question!
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Post by tillystar on Apr 15, 2010 14:30:23 GMT
My friend had 2 emergency c-sections and the 2nd cut was made quickly and when sewn up the 2 scars caused a large flap of skin that shows through thin clothing and is visible if she wears a swimming costume...or of course in bed. She was very upset about it for yrs and was offered cosmetic surgery free as it was affecting her so much. She was due to have it done in January but a week before she decided that having counselling to get over her issues with her body was a safer and more positive step. She has been having counselling and hasn't regretted her decision once so far.
I can understand why she wanted it done and was supportive of her choice to have the op, but I am glad she decided against it as she is lovely as she is. I hope she stays happy with her choice.
I imagine lots of people who go for cosmetic surgery would be better off resolving the issues they have with their appearance through counselling rather than going under the knife, I mean once you have something done surely you will find something else you don't like?
Saying that, if I was going in for something else like Gertie and they offered to sort out my funny tummy while they were at it I wouldn't object!
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Post by gertie on Apr 16, 2010 12:41:14 GMT
I can perfectly understand that feeling, Tilly. I really never thought of having anything like this until I started having pain which was at first thought to be a hip issue, then gallbladder, finally it has been determined after having had three large incisions and four small for various abdominal surgeries, including two hysterectomies, I just have too much scar tissue and I have significant abdominal adhesions. I admit, I had been unhappy with the fact even when I was quite a skinny wretch, my tum still had a sort of lap over the top of all that scar tissue, but I was really much too chicken of further surgery to consider anything being done to remedy the appearance. The doctors think my pain is the result of significant obstruction of natural movement of my intestine by adhesions, and could even lead to a blockage, hence the need for surgery. Of course, just for fun, this surgery will carry the risk of additional adhesions, which is actually what first led me to a plastic surgeon, as they are expert in scars and the prevention thereof. I just got everything sorted with the insurance so it seems like the surgery will be sometime in the next few months. Can't say I am sad about improving the tum like that, but even though I know it is needed, I am glad they will be taking a bit to get it all arranged as it will give me time to stop feeling quite so freaked about additional surgery.
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Post by Kimby on Apr 16, 2010 17:50:57 GMT
Good luck gertie. Sounds like the right thing for you.
We wouldn't be having this discussion about plastic surgery if it weren't for all the people who are getting it, making the rest of us question our desire/resignation to age naturally. Pretty hard to age gracefully naturally when there are no almost public figures who have chosen to do it themselves.
And the psychological issues would be far less frequent if there wasn't so much plastic surgery happening to make us feel inadequate somehow for looking our age, or even looking younger than our age, but still not youthful.
I can't believe women are still doing the collagen in the lips thing. Can't they see how bad it makes them look - except perhaps in still photographs? You can tell by the way they talk that their lips are stiffened with collagen. Bizarre. I'm waiting for thin lips to come back in. Then they'll be sorry!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2010 19:06:58 GMT
Those lips amaze (and disgust) me. Luckily, I think they are going out of style -- at least in most countries.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 16, 2010 19:31:05 GMT
That is funny! When I was in Italy a few years back I had some kind of minor allergic reaction to something (I have a lot of allergies) and my lips puffed up a bit. My lips are naturally on the somewhat full rather than somewhat thin side, but at 50-something definitly not puffy. Some pappagallo called me Angelina Jolie! At least that was a bit funny.
It didn't last long.
One borderline surgery that is both functional and aesthetic is removal of the "skin apron". That is an outcome of major weight loss in previously severely overweight people. Since it is not merely rather hideous but also causes nasty infections, some health plans will cover surgery for it. And while it only affects the superficial layer of skin and remaining fat, it is still very unpleasant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2010 11:04:08 GMT
Lagatta,I had something similar happen to me twice. I don't know what spurned it and the incidents of it were many,many years apart from each other. Funny though,someone likened my 'look' to Carly Simon,another to Mick Jagger. ;D ;D ;D I don't think Angelina Jolie was even born yet.
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