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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 17, 2015 12:59:52 GMT
Casimira?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 13:23:16 GMT
That is odd indeed. All I can think of is that they are possibly training the roses to grow into an arch form as opposed to the upright straight fashion. I know that there is a technique where this can be done. It's similar to "pegging", a rooting technique I've been fairly successful with.
A lot of times people don't realize that they have much more control over how a plant grows in terms of size, shape etc. So many times I hear people say "oh, I couldn't grow that, it takes up too much room" etc. I try to tell them that this is only if you let it.
Is there a gardener on the grounds that you could ask Kerouac?
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Post by breeze on Mar 18, 2015 1:11:19 GMT
You see things like that in a cold climate, where a tender plant is bent over and the top is partly buried for the winter. Supposedly that's how you get figs through the winter in Phila and Chicago.
It looks like there are leaf buds on the top of these roses, so I think these plants will be released to stand upright when the worst of winter is over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 1:20:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 3:35:36 GMT
Roses are super cold tolerant so I doubt what you ascertain is not correct in this case Breeze.
Lizzy, than you for that link.
I feel e a bit validated after reading it, as that was the only thing that made any sense to me. I hope Kerouac is able to go back there and take note of what exactly all of us have been most curious.
I do believe we are spot on with this Lizzy
I was beginning to think I was a real nutter...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:10:00 GMT
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Post by tod2 on Mar 18, 2015 10:39:33 GMT
Kerouac might have to go back in some months time to see the result Can you tell us the name of the garden?? From your photo Lizzy, those looks like briar/sucker roses. Many roses are budded onto an understock or rootstock. (The other term you hear is grafted). This understock is not actually the rose variety you purchased. Occasionally the understock will produce a cane from beneath the bud union that pops up out of the ground and grows like mad. And because it is produced from below the bud union it “sucks” the nutrients up before they can get to the rose variety you purchased. Hence the term “sucker”. Eventually they will kill the rose variety you purchased and you are left with nothing but understock. I don't think that is the intention of the bended rose trees in Kerouac's photos. There's got to be more to it. If I could speak French I would phone them up and ask the garden department
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 18, 2015 11:52:04 GMT
Bonjour, departement du jardin....... Off you go Tod.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 16:18:47 GMT
Read the article I posted, tod. And this:
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Post by tod2 on Mar 18, 2015 17:14:26 GMT
Lizzy you're a marvel! I am so enthusiastic now and am going to try this on my roses! Thanks so much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 17:17:39 GMT
I'm not a marvel, I just use google a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 18:46:17 GMT
Kerouac might have to go back in some months time to see the result Can you tell us the name of the garden?? It's " La Maison Romaine" in Epinal, so I will probably not be back there any time soon. There will be a report about Epinal with more photos one of these days.
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Post by tod2 on Mar 19, 2015 7:55:30 GMT
Oh OK. At least clever Lizzyfaire has shown us exactly what those gardeners are intending. Well done Lizzy!
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Post by tod2 on Apr 1, 2015 18:38:05 GMT
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Post by tod2 on Apr 2, 2015 17:39:21 GMT
Moving on to the next Garden Center the owner came out to meet me. I noticed he had a lot of floribundas and Standard roses. No HT roses at all. After a short discussion I asked him if he has ever heard of 'pegged' roses. 'No never'...I then showed him how Kerouac's photos had shown the standard roses bent downwards with their heads buried in the sand. The first things he ran by me was the fact that the 'union bud' was right at the top where the stems all spread out with flowers. The long stem was nothing to do with the actual rose variety. He said the minute this was done 'suckers/briars' would shoot up all along the stem. This is what I saw in Lizzyfaires video and mentioned the blooms looked like briars. So this still makes me wonder why those standard roses in Kerouac's photo were bent over with their heads in the sand? ? I have a darn good mind to go there and see what the hecks going on......are you coming Kerouac? I'll pay the car hire
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Post by questa on Apr 4, 2015 5:59:24 GMT
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Post by tod2 on Apr 4, 2015 6:31:51 GMT
Questa, the very name Double Delight always made me think it was because of the two colours - cream and red. Seeing the process of the rose changing colour as it ages is a delight in itself but you tell us the perfume also changes, so that is yet another delight! Wonderful photos!
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Post by questa on Apr 5, 2015 5:56:11 GMT
I think it was for the 2 colours, but really there are more than 2 if you count the changes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 15:49:46 GMT
What a splendid montage of one of my favorite hybrid roses Questa.
Although, I tend to shy away from most hybrid breeds, "Double Delight" has always been one of my absolute favorites. The added bonus of it's fragrance, a major plus. Not so prevalent with most modern hybrids.
(I used to tend a garden that was adjacent to a huge private estate turned public. I was very good friends with the head gardener there at the time and would slip over there to visit with him. One particular day, they were filming a segment of a movie and one of the actors was Danny DeVito... he was casually roaming around between takes and I spied him bending over to admire a "Double Delight" rose in full magnificent regalia. Mind you, he is a very short man so, he didn't have to lean too far. I heard him moan with delight and, so not to startle him, waited until he was about to move on. He then saw me and said, "oh, are you the rosarian here?" I told him no, I was visiting my friend who is. He then went on to tell me that "Double Delight" was his favorite rose and told me more about his rose collection. It was a really cool experience.)
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 5, 2015 18:09:43 GMT
I've had a few days off and have been busy sowing seeds and preparing the garden for the summer. I've dug over the vegetable patch, digging in the green manure (phacelia) and covering the bed with a black plastic sheet so that the soil warms up quicker (and to keep the weeds down until Im ready to sow my carrots)
In the past few days I've pricked out loads of seedlings...I have two varieties of tomato, two of cucumber, chilli peppers, lettuce, French Marigolds, Zinnias, schizanthus, monarda, ammi majus, night scented phlox, erigeron, antirrhinums, nigela, lavatera, godetia, dahlia, cosmos, verbena rigida, gazania..and probably some others I can't think of atm. Yesterday I sowed my ricinus (impala), morning Glories (Heavenly Blue) and Coboea Scandens.
Goodness only knows where I'll put them all....I usually grow for my Dad's garden too and that won't be needed any more.
I am sill waiting for the herbaceous pernnials in the flower bed to wake up so that I can see what has survived the winter...
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Post by questa on Apr 6, 2015 4:36:34 GMT
Thanks Casi, I'm glad you like them. Why do you think there are not more about? Ten yrs ago the craze was white "Iceberg" roses in a 'ball on stick' straight line formation. Now they are getting old and ratty and look like a row of tissue dispensers What a great story about DeVito and you. Gotta admire the man's taste in flowers Do you know of any other roses that change colour like this?
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Post by Kimby on Apr 6, 2015 20:52:07 GMT
I am thoroughly discouraged about MY garden. It's a rock garden at the lake cottage that has to contend with extremes of elevation (6400'), weather (-25 to 90 degrees F), drying wind, burial under snowbanks, and benign neglect (we're gone for weeks at a time).
I have planted perennials in pockets between the rock where I amended the soil, and the first year it looked nice, with Gaillardia and Rudbeckia and various Artemesias, plus Monarda, Thymus, Lewisia, Linum, Aquilegia,...I had great expectations for the future.
The second year I had to replace a few plants that didn't come back, and my rock garden looked really nice. Last year I had to replace a lot of plants, AND the grasses took over the rock garden, hiding the pretty plants.
But the most recent and worst insult is the rodents! Gophers (ground squirrels) have rearranged the dirt with their burrow excavations, piling mounds on top of my carefully planted and mulched plantings. And worse, voles are eating the roots of my plants. A large spreading Gaillardia wilted suddenly last summer and appeared to tip over. When trying to straighten it up, the whole plant came loose in my hands, completely missing its root ball!
There seems to be no plant whose roots they won't eat. I am very discouraged. Fortunately, Mr. Kimby said "Buy new plants" instead of saying "Give it up". But that's not the point of a perennial garden, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 17:27:08 GMT
I'm sorry to hear it, Kimby. Pests are a scourge. I'm dealing with slugs at the moment, but they are nowhere near as difficult as your burrowing mammals. I'd hate the damage, but then I'd hate to kill them, too (I have no qualms about slugs, though). Yes, the point of a perennial garden is not to have to replace everything year after year. We have a small knoll of willow and elderberry growing out of a pile of rotting logs and stumps, it's quite picturesque (once I cleared the blackberries out of it). We lighted on the idea of turning it into a rockery/woodland garden/herb garden (it has a very sunny spot). We spent the weekend moving soil and planting. So far we have in it: sage, thyme, chives, mint, lemon balm, columbines, sweet woodruff, scented violets, starflower and bunchberry. Have very many more things to plant next weekend. The orchard is popping out wildly. The cherries and quince are in full blossom and the pear is leafing out nicely. Our Dabinette apple is very slow to start, but the Ashmead's Kernal is blossoming for the first year of its young life, and it looks like the flowers are a beautiful pink: Last year we had a huge madrona tree branch fall on our Italian plum and ruin it. My husband tore it out with his tractor and threw it in the dump pile in the wetlands. We went walking this weekend and saw the poor tottering plum, dry rooted, broken, in the darkness, sending out the sweetest blossoms. I almost cried at the sight of this tree fighting to stay alive when it should have been dead long ago, so we found it a sweet sunny spot on the edge of the forest and planted it. I think the birds and deer will appreciate the fruit.
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Post by Kimby on Apr 7, 2015 17:35:51 GMT
Happy ending for the plum tree. Till the deer eat the branches to nubs, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 17:38:20 GMT
It's already too tall for them to get all of the branches. And we fenced it off until it gets taller.
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Post by breeze on Apr 8, 2015 0:31:51 GMT
Oh Lizzy, that little tree's will to live reminds me of the first year I divided irises. I did it by the book, trimming the tops and the roots, creating a little mound for each tuber, and carefully setting them in. Afterwards I had a cartload left over to add to the compost pile but my husband said he would plant them, by which he meant he tossed them into the woods along the lane. He didn't cover them with soil or even set them right side up. Even so, they flowered the next year or two till the shade got to them.
Kimby, you have my sympathy. Because of chipmunks/moles/voles/mice/rabbits I now have to plant bulbs in a wire box and bury them. I put cylinders of hardware cloth around new plants, sunk a few inches into the ground. You can imagine what eyesores these are.
Tomorrow I'm going to sprinkle red pepper flakes on some of the plants along a path that rabbits like to take.
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Post by Kimby on Apr 8, 2015 1:15:27 GMT
Lizzy, so glad the plum won't become deer fodder. (Hooved locusts!). Your woodland herb garden sounds lovely.
Breeze, I had a couple scraps of hardware cloth with which I encircled one of my last plantings last season. Will let you know if that one survived the vole onslaught.
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Post by questa on Apr 8, 2015 3:19:02 GMT
Breeze, you like your rabbit stew pre-seasoned, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 18:37:50 GMT
Today, I bought a very important gardening tool — a pair of cheap kitchen tongs for optimal slug plucking and flinging.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 21, 2015 6:27:58 GMT
Lizzy, I saw the gardeners in a botanical garden in Canada putting cans of beer in the beds of flowers attacked by snails and slugs. The beer was only about 3 inches in the bottom of the can. When I asked the reason they told me snails can't resist beer and fall into the open can and drown. You could use old tin cans and one beer would go along way. Maybe between this and the tongs you will soon be snail free!
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