Manipulative bitches

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Hard to find an appropriate thread to discuss this, so I decided that it is a medical condition.

Over the holiday season, I heard two different stories from otherwise normal men who have their testicles in a vise, courtesy of their significant other.



I would assume that the principal reason for manipulation by the "weaker" sex would be that women are generally physically weaker than men and have therefore learned other techniques to gain the upper hand.

Both cases that were related to me are merciless and inexorable. Naturally, I was asked for advice, and I had some ideas which I would not express, because they would be too destructive. I am not in favor of a war of the sexes, and as a Libra, I always try to look for peaceful solutions, even when it is hopeless.

My only question here -- to both sexes -- is whether you find "manipulative bitches" normal or an abomination along the same lines as "macho assholes." If these two groups were attracted to each other, I think that they would deserve each other, but it unfortunately appears that there are many innocent victims of both groups, and those of us who try to advise them always fail miserably for some reason (probably having to do with unbridled hormones).

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First thought that comes to mind is what did the asshole do to deserve it huh?

From what I've observed in the past, this is what I think. My opinion only folks, make your own minds up.

Manipulative bitches are more common then we realize and yes, they will try and latch on to a good guy, if they possibly can. Then they will do, well, what they do best, manipulate. And if she is a good looking or sexy looking woman she will find this extremely easy to do, as lets face it, most men's brains are down below. I've personally seen this countless times.

Ugly women can also learn the art of manipulation, but because they don't have the looks to 'blind' the poor guy into the trap, they'll use other means. Some will use emotional blackmail, make them feel sorry for her, compliments, or she may use her money, or any number of ways, that unattractive women have found works.

Macho assholes will stay away from manipulative bitches as much as they can, apart from using them for sex, they are not in the habit of falling into their trap. No, Macho assholes will always go for the good, sweet girls. Because you see they are also into the game of manipulation. Isn't life fun with all these games to play? Anyway, assholes and bitches can spot each other a mile off, and are familiar with the game.

These bitches and assholes are not born with what most of us know as a 'conscience'. They only understand one thing, and that is 'how can I get what I want from him/her'. Don't ever underestimate a bitch or an asshole, they can be extremely deceptive. They will use whatever means to get what they want. That can involve sweet talk, lies, empty promises and just down right bull shite. What ever suits them at the time, and this will be taken away and changed at will, also, when ever it suits them. They can easily promise you the earth but will never deliver.

Once they get what they want, they will run back into their little holes where they feel safe. Because above all else bitches and assholes are cowards. Without their little safety ends, are unable to stand up to anyone,just as they are unable to stand alone, because basically, they are spineless little turds.

Does this answer the question?

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Yes, I think you have given this matter a lot of thought.

Both of the men involved got sucked in by the women having significantly more money, and their attraction to this is not to their credit. (Also, if I outright told them that this is what I think, they would vehemently disagree.) However, after years of struggling to make ends meet and not having the comfort that they saw around them, they were easy to trap with a comfortable nest and appealing gifts.

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That is kind of sad really. But that's how it is in some cases. Kind of reminds me of that song: 'Some of them want to use you, some of them want to get used by you".

I have no respect for men (or women) who go for a person just because they have money. Or they stay with someone just for financial reasons. I think I would rather be alone, then be living or married to someone knowing full well that they are with me just for the comfort and lifestyle I can provide. There is something so fundamentally wrong with that kind of set up.

*sigh* But whatever, I guess. Funny old world we live in.

[spindrift]

I will give this thread more thought but my first reaction is that Revenge might be the mistress of Manipulative Bitches. Revenge might come about in response to Torment Long-Suffered.

[spaceneedle]

Unfortunately manipulative, stupid and drama-laden people come in both sexes.

[lagatta]

Hard-hearted Hannah, the Vamp of Savannah was an ancestor.

In old Savannah, I said Savannah
The weather there is nice and warm
The climate's of the southern brand
But here's what I don't understand

They've got a gal there
A pretty gal there
Who's colder than an Arctic storm
Got a heart just like a stone
Even Ice-men leave her alone

They call her hard-hearted Hannah
The vamp of Savannah
The meanest gal in town
Leather is tough
But Hannah's heart is tougher
She's a gal who likes to
See men suffer

To tease them and thrill 'em
Torture and kill 'em
Is her delight they say
I saw her at the seashore
With a great big pan
There was Hannah pouring water
On a drowning man
She's Hard-Hearted Hannah
The vamp of Savannah GA

They call her hard hearted Hannah
The vamp of Savannah
The meanest gal in town
Talk of your cold,
Refrigerating mammas
Brother, she's the polar bear's pajamas

To tease them and thrill 'em
To torture and kill 'em
Is her delight they say
An evening spent with Hannah
Sittin' on your knees
Is like travelin' through Alaska
In your BVD's

She's hard hearted Hannah
The vamp of Savannah GA
Can you imagine a woman
As cold as Hannah
She's got the right name,
"The Vamp of Savannah"
Any time a woman can take a great big pan
And start pouring water on a drowning man
She's hard hearted Hannah
The vamp of Savannah GA

Spoken:
Ooh, she's sweet as sour milk!

Spaceneedle, they come in both sexes and all sexual orientations (I'm sure there are even celibate ones in religious orders). But I think the WAY they impose themselves on their victims depends on their gender socialization, their size and physical force, and other factors.

And money always comes in handy to manipulate others, ain't it true?

[lola]

Hey, catchy title, Kerouac!

Sorry that happened. Maybe you can find a less obliging but subviolent aspect somewhere in yr. horoscope.

I don't usually recognize manipulativeness unless it's really obvious, or else in a familiar pattern from someone I've been married to for 21 yrs, not to mention anyone specific or his gender.

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Of course there is the other kind of M.B., sometimes known as a sex kitten. But in cases like that, I think that the men get what they deserve.

[lola]

(Confidential to bixa: You Know Who is wise to usually infallible sex kitten tactics. May not be the best time to ask for apt. key and PIN)

[lagatta]

Oh drat. But we are Women of Experience. That is a slightly different category.

[bixaorellana]

Jan 4, 2010 23:27:00 GMT lola said:

(Confidential to bixa: You Know Who is wise to usually infallible sex kitten tactics. May not be the best time to ask for apt. key and PIN)

Pish tosh! We'll just show up with scrubbed faces and starched aprons. That first morning, after he awakes to a gleaming apartment, rummaging through his wallet and filching the master key set from that cracked sugar bowl on the top shelf in the kitchen will be duck soup for us!

[spaceneedle]

Jan 4, 2010 18:10:44 GMT kerouac2 said:

Of course there is the other kind of M.B., sometimes known as a sex kitten. But in cases like that, I think that the men get what they deserve.

Are there really sex kittens any more? The last really great one that I can remember is this one




Of course she's still sexy, but she's probably more of a sex COUGAR now...

[spindrift]

Oh! I like this thread about Manipulative Bitches......

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Of course she's still sexy, but she's probably more of a sex COUGAR now...


Red heads are out of fashion now apparently.

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Being out of fashion is often what is appealing.

[spindrift]

I like to start fashions...such as wearing Indian trousers (patalia)....

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Well, you're too late to start a fashion this year. Hideous hot pants are back.

[spindrift]

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I like that Indian outfit, Spinny.

I think you might be on to something, Indian clothes have no been utilized in the West as much, and a lot of people like them.

[spindrift]

I agree. Indian clothes are so easy to wear and can look plain or dressy.

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and what does this style of dress have to do with the topic of the thread? I am confused as to what the connection is here....
(I am seeing lots of women in NY dressed in Indian style clothing,some really gorgeous...)

[spindrift]

I was replying to Kerouac's #15 post...it took a turn then, for the better I thought. I can easily return to the OP. I have lots to say on the subject.

[gertie]

Manipulation isn't just something people use in the context of sexual relationships, though perhaps that is the most recognized playing ground. I see it a lot in relationships people have with their children and friends as well. No matter the playing field, seems like it is always caustic, and never more caustic than when played in groups.