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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 10, 2011 21:01:58 GMT
I dunno ~ Vince Vaughn always comes across as a basic, decent guy, a person you'd like to have as a neighbor.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 17, 2011 5:34:29 GMT
Paz de la Huerta -- so bad it's painful to watch her. Does she get parts because of her willingness -- one might also say zeal -- to do full frontal nudity?
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Post by nycgirl on Nov 23, 2011 8:24:26 GMT
This topic is interesting, it reminds me of something my teacher said in a class I'm taking, that there are essentially two types of actors: personality actors and character actors. Personality actors have a certain persona that they play in most or all of their films, whereas character actors transform themselves to suit the character. Some obvious personality actors are John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, Jim Carrey, and Jack Nicholson. Some good examples of character actors are Dustin Hoffman, Meryl Streep, and Johnny Depp.
I noticed that almost everyone mentioned as a bad actor falls very squarely in the personality category. However, personality actors can be just as talented and convincing as character actors, though they may lack the range (or are forcibly typecast).
Anyway, just an observation. I agree that quite a few of the actors you guys mentioned suck. ;D
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 23, 2011 15:29:47 GMT
Hmm, never thought of it in terms of those two categories, but it makes perfect sense.
I don't know that I'd class Jack Nicholson as a personality actor, though. I think his range is much broader.
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Post by nycgirl on Nov 23, 2011 16:25:26 GMT
I don't know that I'd class Jack Nicholson as a personality actor, though. I think his range is much broader. He has taken it down a notch in movies like About Schmidt, but he tends to do larger-than-life rather than life-size roles. Personality actors often have roles created or altered just for them. For example, Jack Torrance in the novel The Shining was a somewhat normal guy who went crazy, but resisted the evil influence of the house as long as he could. In Jack Nicholson's hands, Torrance seemed like a stark raving lunatic who couldn't wait to shed his inhibitions and start axe-ing people. Not to say that he isn't very talented; he is. He's just not one to blend into a character so that you forget you're watching Jack Nicholson. |
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Post by nycgirl on Nov 23, 2011 16:42:28 GMT
Has anyone mentioned Kevin Costner yet? Definitely a personality actor... but with no personality!
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 23, 2011 18:00:49 GMT
Has anyone mentioned Kevin Costner yet? Definitely a personality actor... but with no personality! And with a face to match! I agree that Jack Nicholson has done some unforgivably over the top roles, The Shining definitely being one of them. As it happened, I'd just finished reading the book when the movie came out. The book rather sensitively delineates the character's increasing madness. The movie made him a full-bore asshole right from the beginning, so totally an unsympathetic character. One of my favorite scenes is Shelly Duval wandering the hotel halls, which at that point in the movie are of full of crawling rotting corpses & other disconcerting sights. She's nicely made up & tidily turned out -- even wearing a perky scarf around her neck. The movie also taught us that abject evil looks like a swarm of bees. But I digress ...... One problem with Nicholson & other well-known stars who've walked their way through cinematic schlock is that it obscures their talent in our memories. Another problem is their very celebrity, making it hard for us to simply focus on the role & forget who's playing it. I know I've enjoyed certain movies more than others simply because I wasn't familiar with the actors in them. I wish I could find the clip of the soliloquy by Nicholson in this movie, but this one will have to do: |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 18:39:26 GMT
Along these same lines I have given serious thought about Diane Keaton.
Doesn't she seem to be more of a personality actor?
Granted,she got pigeon holed so to speak, working under Woody Allen all those years,and then I think of her role in the aforementioned Reds,(which I thought she did an excellent job)and now I'm dithering about this.
I love some of her work,but then there are times when she seems to do the same thing over and over with little or no affect,just the same expression,not too much range.
There was a movie,somewhat obscure,Shoot the Moon which also starred Albert Finney (whom I adore) in which I loved her performance. It was one of the few movies aside from Reds where I thought she really demonstrated some range.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 19:35:10 GMT
Does anybody really think that Scarlett Johansson can act?
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Post by onlymark on Nov 23, 2011 20:27:00 GMT
Who's bothered if she can act or not?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 21:16:14 GMT
Those of us who have objective standards of quality rather than fuckability.
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Post by onlymark on Nov 24, 2011 6:42:40 GMT
It's pointless putting her in a film then if you're bothered about acting.
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Post by nycgirl on Nov 25, 2011 4:39:42 GMT
Bixa, that's a really good scene! So much tension, and Nicholson didn't do any overacting. What movie is that from?
About Scarlett Johansson, yeah, she's overrated. Still, there are so many worse actresses out there, such as the aforementioned Megan Fox and Jessica Alba.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 21:34:05 GMT
Have we mentioned Ben Affleck yet? I don't feel like searching back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 1:04:54 GMT
Well, because you bumped the thread, I read it through because I've never come across it. And the answer is yes.
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Post by htmb on Oct 16, 2013 1:06:15 GMT
Worth mentioning a second time.  |
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 16, 2013 6:41:38 GMT
Not someone so major that anyone spends any time thinking about her, but Adrienne Barbeau. I've finally started watching the 2003 series Carnivà le, in which she has a role. I never liked her in Maude & I don't care for her now, simply because she's such a wooden actress. She does have an enormous bosom, which may have helped in her career.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 17:47:34 GMT
Has anyone mentioned Val Kilmer??
I viewed for the 2nd time( out of boredom I have to admit....) Oliver Stone's film of THE DOORS in which Kilmer portrays Jim Morrison and Meg Ryan his muse/wife/whatever.
What an awful movie, aside from the fact that I simply adored the Doors Music, well, in particular, their first album was transformational for me.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 21, 2013 17:52:38 GMT
You deliberately watched a movie with Val Kilmer AND Meg Ryan?!
Were you doing penance for something?
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Post by htmb on Nov 21, 2013 21:11:00 GMT
Even more amazing that you watched it for the SECOND time!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 21:16:28 GMT
Actually, bad actors/actresses have never kept me away from movies. It takes more than that.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 22, 2013 1:51:09 GMT
Like what ~~ the theater being on fire?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 1:53:12 GMT
No... bad directors.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 22, 2013 5:36:36 GMT
Okay, that makes sense. There are some actors with great reputations who can shock you with how bad they can be with a bad or seemingly absent director. Al Pacino comes to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 15:06:20 GMT
You deliberately watched a movie with Val Kilmer AND Meg Ryan?! Were you doing penance for something?  Admittedly, it was a weak moment. I don't know what I was thinking.... As an aside, perhaps Kerouac knows the answer to this. How was Jim Morrison afforded burial space in the cemetery he was. I always thought it curious that he is buried in the same place as Chopin and other famous artists. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 17:33:06 GMT
Jim Morrison's burial was organized by his friend Alain Ronay, who ignored his last wishes of being cremated and having his ashes scattered at Venice Beach in California. Several sites in Père Lachaise were proposed, including one right next to Oscar Wilde when the cemetery person learned that Jim Morrison was also a poet. But Ronay felt that it was inappropriate and took an available tomb in the old section of the cemetery. Only 5 people attended his funeral.
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Post by bjd on Nov 22, 2013 19:39:22 GMT
There are certainly more than 5 people at his grave at any one time nowadays. One day we talked with the policewoman who was on duty -- she said they changed every hour.
They have to guard the grave because everything would be stolen by fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:05:07 GMT
What's with Jessica Chastain? Does she have to be in every movie made?
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Post by htmb on Dec 21, 2014 17:17:58 GMT
I've heard the name, but have no clue who she is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:32:12 GMT
That's because she has no personality whatsoever. They just use her for the role of "generic female" and yet she starred in The Help, Zero Dark Thirty, Interstellar, Miss Julie, The Tree of Life, etc. (Actually, she was almost interesting in Miss Julie.)
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