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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 7:43:33 GMT
Interesting piece on BBC News about the decline of the New York accent. It makes me want to find out more about the subject. Parisians have a specific accent as well, but I don't feel that it is declining, and the Paris suburbs have their own accent as well, although it is mostly confined to the youth and could be classified as "ghetto speak." In any case, just about anybody in the rest of France can immediately recognize from the accent if someone is from the Paris metropolitan area. When I think of how I pronounce certain words in French, it can be probably be detected in my speech as well, even if a lot of people guess that I am Swiss or Belgian.
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Post by bjd on Sept 2, 2010 7:52:10 GMT
I remember arriving at JFK with my husband and (one) son in 1998, and while we were waiting for a cab we all had big smiles on our faces because of the way people were talking.
On the other hand, I once spent some time in Forth Worth/Dallas airport and thought the speech was so ugly. Except for all the New Yorkers who were working there!
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 2, 2010 16:09:19 GMT
Yoik? It wouldn't be Yawk?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 18:18:00 GMT
I used the BBC spelling.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 2, 2010 18:51:17 GMT
Oh. Them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 19:14:41 GMT
Then again, the Bronx, Brooklyn and Bowery accents are not the same.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 2, 2010 20:15:09 GMT
Oh. Dem.
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Post by komsomol on Sept 3, 2010 11:45:38 GMT
Do they still say youse instead of you?
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Post by hwinpp on Sept 14, 2010 8:28:32 GMT
Australians do too.
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Post by bjd on Sept 14, 2010 9:19:06 GMT
So do some Canadians
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 13:44:24 GMT
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Post by onlymark on Nov 22, 2010 13:58:53 GMT
Don't know.
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Post by onlymark on Nov 22, 2010 14:03:14 GMT
Ever helpful, I am.
It isn't uncommon to label persons by their accent, is it? And if the place where the accent is has negative characteristics then those with that accent are stigmatised as being the same, no matter how important or unimportant that place is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 15:32:41 GMT
Yes, but people have always admired the elite of New York with the elite New York accent. They just think something is wrong with the working man, apparently. I suppose it is the same in London with Cockney accents. Poor Eliza Doolittle.
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Post by lola on Nov 22, 2010 15:33:43 GMT
>>the most hated accent in America.<<
Hogwash. We in Middle America think NYC accents are adorable.
An accent I'd like revived is that tony one FDR used, and rich folks in movies. Where did that one go?
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Post by onlymark on Nov 22, 2010 15:34:38 GMT
Presumably the elite of New York have a different accent to the common man? Is it far different?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 17:38:12 GMT
Like Night and Day.
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Post by lola on Nov 22, 2010 18:13:00 GMT
I'd like to hear a sample of current elite NY. Does it sound like Margaret Dumont's?:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 18:24:44 GMT
I would say it sounds more like Sex & the City.
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Post by bjd on Nov 22, 2010 19:02:45 GMT
This to me is a New York accent
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 19:03:01 GMT
Since having been here in NY for the past 4 weeks,I have beeen accused of sounding like a Noo Yoiker by some loved ones. Goodness knows after being around my brother and others with thick ,thick New york accents,it is no wonder. I heard some real good accents in NYC whilst there for the day yesterday.
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Post by patricklondon on Nov 23, 2010 18:39:44 GMT
I used to like the rise and fall (or rise and rise) in whatever accent Tyne Daly had in Cagney and Lacey. Yah hear me Harv?
Was it realistic?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 18:46:39 GMT
I think BJD's video of Woody Allen is more spot on than any Sex and the City characters,none of whom I believe are native New Yorkers.
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Post by lola on Nov 23, 2010 19:04:58 GMT
Checking Tyne on YouTube, her accent sounds real to me. Not flat. Some music to it.
Checking Sex/city on youtube, they sound like me, non-NY. I think Woody has a NY Jewish accent, with hints of Yiddish overtones.
In my work I speak to people from all walks of life, mostly in MO but also from around the country. I think the closest US now has to an elite sound is the midwestern newscaster college graduate non-accent.
I'm thrilled when I can detect Louisiana, Boston, Brooklyn, MN. Our state has 3 main regional accents, not including whether we pronounce it Missouree or Missourah.
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Post by bjd on Nov 23, 2010 20:15:48 GMT
Woody Allen has Yiddish overtones? That would imply that he spoke Yiddish before he spoke English or as an alternative to English. I don't think so. I think it's just the Brooklyn/NYC accent he has. I have a friend from the Bronx who sounds like that too, and he doesn't speak any Yiddish, although he is Jewish too. Actually, the photographer Ron Gallela narrating this film on the BBC is from the Bronx. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11794891
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 21:37:46 GMT
I agree 100% on this assessment. I think that perhaps because Woody Allen emphasizes his Jewishness as it were ,so much,one can easily get it into their head that how he speaks is NY Jewish when indeed it is simply pure New Yoikness not NY Jewishness that one is hearing.
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Post by lola on Nov 23, 2010 23:15:41 GMT
So you think there's no such thing as a New York Jewish accent, or just that Allen doesn't have it?
In my opinion there is still a such thing, influenced by Yiddish speakers from 60-100 years ago.
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Post by hwinpp on Nov 24, 2010 4:40:17 GMT
I like Harvey Keitel when he plays New York cops, good or bad ones.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 24, 2010 6:44:03 GMT
I like Harvey Keitel full stop.
Lola, about that ritzy accent in old movies ...... I saw a documentary once showing how the starlets in Hollywood were all trained to speak a certain way and to walk a certain way. I treasure the memory of an old Tarzan movie where Jane is mincing through the jungle exactly as though she were wearing high heels, except of course she's barefoot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2010 9:44:46 GMT
Nobody seemed to have a lower class accent in the Rainbow Room in the movies.
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