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Post by bjd on Sept 18, 2018 8:39:56 GMT
I tend to wake very early and can't go back to sleep. My husband says, "Just roll over and go back to sleep!" as though I were doing it on purpose. Actually, I prefer waking at 5 or 5:30 and lying there for a while before I get up to waking at 2 or 3 and not being able to go back to sleep for a few hours. But I am far from the 8 hours sleep we are "supposed" to get.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 18, 2018 10:40:20 GMT
I'm up right now because of waking at an inappropriately early time. Got up to make some herbal tea with a view to going back to bed & reading, but turned on the computer instead. The other day I met a couple of men, one my age & the other @ten years older, who'd practically done a study of conquering sleeplessness. They offered to describe what works for them out in an email. The younger one wrote: I have had sleep challenges for years. My current options at bedtime include:
SLEEP THRU by Gaia - available on the internet at Pharmaca. This sleep remedy is primarily Ashwaganda Root, an Ayurvedic herb. When it works, it works well for me. But it does not do the trick all the time.}
MELATONIN by Source Naturals. I get orange flavored lozenges @ 2.5 mgs, and I cut them in half. The total pill is way too much for me.
TEMAZEPAM by perscription. I get 15 mg capsules and cut them in half. The total cap is too much for me.
[The other man] uses:
MEDICAL MARIJUANA. He gets a product that has in it something called Indica. This has changed his life for the better re sleep.Both of these men are steady individuals who obviously take care of themselves. Even so, I'm still resistant to the idea of "taking something", although I suppose the herbal tea I'm drinking even as I type is in fact "taking something. Apparently the last product in the list, Indica, uses non-psychoactive CBD, which is the ingredient in marijuana which treats pain without an attendant high. Coincidentally, yesterday I read about another use of it as a proposed ingredient in Coca-Cola. Since, like most southerners, I subscribe to the belief that Coca-Cola is a flu and hangover cure, I have to assume that the pain-killing additive would be received with joy. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-17/coca-cola-eyes-cannabis-market-in-push-beyond-sluggish-sodasBut as far as sleep goes, the caffeine in Coke would be contraindicated, right?
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Post by patricklondon on Sept 18, 2018 11:01:46 GMT
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Post by bjd on Sept 18, 2018 11:05:09 GMT
Bixa, I thought the worst thing to do in the night is look at a screen? I don't feel my lack of sleep is doing me much harm since I can function all day without taking naps. And I really do not plan to take anything, particularly no sleeping pills. From what I have read, pills are a short-term remedy (a couple of weeks at most) that end up being used for years.
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Post by bjd on Sept 18, 2018 11:05:46 GMT
I was just looking for that article, Patrick!
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Post by mich64 on Sept 18, 2018 11:21:49 GMT
Since my brain injury I have a difficult time going to sleep. The first few years I would be fortunate if I got 4 hours of sleep. Last night I was up past midnight and was awake at 5:20 this morning. However, this past year, a couple of times a month now I am surprised to have gotten about 8 hours, the only change is that I now go for a long walk every day.
At the beginning my doctor was very concerned and prescribed a sleeping pill which I have only taken a few. I do not like how I feel when I wake up, feel drowsy all day and have a worse night sleep the next night.
When my husband is working I am often still up at 3:00 a.m.
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Post by lagatta on Sept 19, 2018 5:34:00 GMT
Huckle, thanks for that.
As you can see, bout of insomnia here. I've been on high stress doing bureaucratic stuff.
I should be able to get that cannaboid, which is supposed to be good arthritis pain relief. I'm specifically looking for something that does NOT make me high. Medical cannabis has been legal here for a while, but when the substance is legalised soon overall, this will be much easier. I do NOT want to smoke anything. I took 2 ibuprofen.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 19, 2018 15:47:19 GMT
Nothing can keep me awake. I used to have a television in my room. I would set the timer on 60 minutes and be asleep in 5 minutes. Now I just use my clock radio when I'm in bed... and I'm still asleep within 5 minutes. What is funny is that I wake up a number of times during the night -- sometimes 5 times, sometimes 2 times -- and I always turn on the radio for the 60 minute setting. Often I might wake up at something like 3:57 and I think, "oh, I'll hear the news bulletin in 3 minutes in case it is the end of the world or something." Wrong -- I am always asleep before then.
I have shared hotel rooms with friends and they have always complained. If they want to say something to me after the light has been turned out, it is too late -- I am already asleep.
What I find interesting is that when I was still working, I would wake up/get up by 6:00 or 6:30 even though I could easily have stayed in bed until 7:30. Now that I am not working, I get up generally around 5:00/5:30 -- just because I no longer have any constraints and can get up whenever I feel like it. I go to bed usually somewhere between 23:00 and midnight... And of course I hear about 13 minutes of radio during the night.
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Post by fumobici on Sept 19, 2018 17:49:15 GMT
Huckle, thanks for that. As you can see, bout of insomnia here. I've been on high stress doing bureaucratic stuff. I should be able to get that cannaboid, which is supposed to be good arthritis pain relief. I'm specifically looking for something that does NOT make me high. Medical cannabis has been legal here for a while, but when the substance is legalised soon overall, this will be much easier. I do NOT want to smoke anything. I took 2 ibuprofen. I have a friend who swears by some topical salve she buys at one of the cannabis shops here to treat her arthritic knee. It isn't just CBD/cannabidiol, there is also a significant portion of THC in it, unlike most topical salves. Her doctor thinks there's enough anecdotal evidence that the THC somehow helps it work. It is not intoxicating at all as long as you don't ingest it.
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Post by lagatta on Sept 19, 2018 18:58:19 GMT
Very interesting! Nothing against toking; that is not hard to find, even on my street. But I need pain relief and anti-inflammatories that don't prevent me from working with a clear head.
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Post by rikita on Sept 20, 2018 9:11:51 GMT
my problem these last few days is interrupted sleep. there's a. turning around in her bed constantly banging into the sides, and i always jump and turn around to make sure she hasn't fallen out of bed (she has a very high loft bed, so though it has high railings and been sleeping in there almost a year now, i always fear something might happen), there's her tendency to wake up much too early and ask me (every five minutes) if she can get up yet, there's all the noise from the street, which usually doesn't bother me, but lately there were things that did wake me up. getting kind of tired ...
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Post by Kimby on Sept 21, 2018 23:03:02 GMT
If a routinely wakes up too early, perhaps it would help to let her stay up a bit later at night. Or prevent her from napping....
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Post by rikita on Sept 22, 2018 0:42:16 GMT
ah, she dropped naps at 2 1/2 - and she often falls asleep pretty late (though recently she had a phase of falling asleep by about 9 p.m. - seemed to be over today, she fell asleep at 10 p.m.) ... the thing is, i wouldn't mind her waking up early if she fell asleep early, i am more concerned about overall sleep, and in that she always stayed below whatever is recommended for her age ... they say kids sleep more, everall, if they go to bed earlier, but in her case, you never know, really. and sometimes she seems fine with the amount of sleeps she gets, other times, she doesn't. i was never a good sleeper either - except when i got into the age where you are expected to sleep less and work and study more, then i suddenly could sleep without any problems ...
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Post by Kimby on Sept 26, 2018 13:45:08 GMT
Perhaps a “memory foam” mattress topper would cradle a. And reduce the tossing and turning - and risk of falling out of her loft bed.
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Post by whatagain on Sept 26, 2018 15:55:08 GMT
Hi Rikita. What worked for us was 1. a protective barrier www.allobebe.fr/barriere-de-lit-140cm-rabattable-aJN071422501.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv-acnoPZ3QIVRoXVCh3yLQliEAQYBSABEgKDJfD_BwE2. a clock We would tell our kid NOT to wake us up before the needle (do you say needle ? ) points towards the ... (8 for us) 3. we didn't put her too early to bed 4. we forced us to ignore her : we'd tell her to go back to sleep and would ignore her and remain in our bed. (not easy) But ok, we never follwoed the good advice given in the books. For instance Marie is now 8 and she went to bed half of the summer after midnight. Problem of young children with old parents ;-)
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Post by rikita on Sept 28, 2018 0:31:50 GMT
hm, gotta look at these ... though in reality i don't think there is a risk of her falling out - it's just that when i wake up from her tossing and turning at night, i think there is ...
she has the clock though - supposed to stay in bed until seven. for quite a while she would wake me to say "the short hand points to this number and the long one to this number - can i get up yet?" even though in theory, she knows to read the time (well, at least half hours and full hours, the rest she knows sometimes). this week though she changed her sleep pattern and started falling asleep very late but then sleeping until well after seven.
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Post by mossie on Sept 28, 2018 15:13:34 GMT
As I tell young mothers with small children "You have 50 years of worry"
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Post by lagatta on Sept 28, 2018 15:40:19 GMT
Less for old mums? Mine was 42. She lived to be 98, so...
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 28, 2018 16:40:53 GMT
I am happy to be sleeping less as I age. After all, time is running out.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 28, 2018 20:12:11 GMT
Despite the fact that I've been retired for two years my sleep patterns haven't really settled after almost 30 years of shifts. Last night for the first time in months I slept straight through..mega. I was knackered tho...
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Post by cheerypeabrain on May 15, 2020 23:55:37 GMT
I've just given up trying to sleep. My beloved went up to bed at 21:30 so was sound asleep when I went up at 22:00. I've just given up trying to sleep and come downstairs. I'm sure that everybody snores...even me (!) But 3 hours of listening to somebody else snore when you yourself can't get to sleep isnt very nice. So I've come down for a hot chocolate. If only we had a spare bedroom! I can almost guarantee that tomorrow morning my darling will claim that he didnt sleep a wink because I kept him awake with my snoring... so I'm going back up in a minute to lay on my back in the sincere hope that I can outsnore him. Wish me luck...
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jul 26, 2022 5:53:08 GMT
Since my niece gave me a fitbit I've been monitoring my sleep. How reliable the recording method is I'm not certain. Assuming that at least it's fairly consistent I've noticed that my sleep pattern...isnt really a pattern Some nights I sleep for 7 or 8 hours. Most nights it's 2 - 5, ocasionally 6. I wish that I could establish something a bit healthier..any tips?
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Post by onlyMark on Jul 26, 2022 8:30:43 GMT
Yes, number 1 - confirm your fitbit is giving the right readings. E.g. If it says you only slept three hours, what do you think? If it says eight hours, do you feel you did? Number 2 - before changing anything, see number 1. Number 3 - the device has a sensor on the inside? If you wear it to bed, do you wear it not tight but can be twisted around somewhat so it doesn't annoy you? If so, maybe it isn't reading so accurately as you've moved it away from its optimum position by laying on it or something. If so, see number 1.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jul 26, 2022 9:02:19 GMT
You're right of course Mark. If I am awake I usually lay there for ages knowing I will need to get up to pee before trying to get back to sleep The fitbit may well be compounding the problem...reinforcing my belief that I've got a poor sleep cycle. As it is we really shouldn't be listening to the radio or audiobooks half the night I may turn off the sleep registering part of the fitbit as it doesn't solve any problems and may be causing more. I think that if I can persuade Jeff that we should only go to bed when we are tired, rather than going up just because it's gone 10pm...(just to listen to the radio for hours on end) we might both sleep better.
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Post by onlyMark on Jul 26, 2022 13:35:54 GMT
Cheery, sometimes ignorance is bliss.
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Post by onlyMark on Jul 26, 2022 13:56:33 GMT
I had an imitation Fibit. I also wear a watch. I can't sleep with the watch on so I knew I wouldn't be able to sleep wearing a fitbit, so off it came when I went to bed. My sleep cycle never bothered me and as with you, some nights I slept 8 hours, some nights just 4 or 5. Some nights I lay awake trying to sleep, some nights I was off with the fairies as soon as my head hit the pillow. I was happy enough knowing my sleep depended not on my sleep, but what I'd been doing mentally and physically that day and/or the previous days. You can do things to promote sleep but you can't force yourself - you know this, you've experience and not daft.
If I have a short sleep and then compensate by having a snooze the next day, that night I can't get to sleep and it becomes a vicious circle. I break it by when I'm feeling dopey, getting up off my fat arse and doing something, usually cooking but not always. Then I sleep like a baby (e.g. cried half the night and was sick twice) that night. Just because you are "supposed" to sleep x number of hours each night doesn't mean it is compulsory. It also doesn't mean you are supposed to sleep that x number of hours every single night. Nobody does.
If you are constantly tired during the day it could be sleep related, it could just be age related, or stress, or activity - or both/all. But if you are not constantly tired, just odd days here and there maybe, so what if you sleep unequal hours over the week or so. As with ignorance can be bliss, too much knowledge, e.g. monitoring sleep patterns to the minute and which states of sleep and for how long, can be a dangerous thing. That's what I think in my unmedical opinion. In our bedroom, there's no TV or radio. I can only suggest putting the radio on a timer that switches off dead on the hour (midnight?) so you don't start listening to the next programme. You then don't have to move and wake up a little to switch it off. Just like the light. You know it'll switch off by itself and you can drift off at will.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 26, 2022 15:13:01 GMT
I always set the timer on my radio for 60 minutes and am asleep within 5 minutes. I do the same thing any time I wake up during the night and fall asleep just as fast.
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Post by lugg on Jul 27, 2022 20:29:09 GMT
My sleep pattern has been disturbed for years. I have tried so many things but now am resigned to sleeping when I can. Not healthy though
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jul 27, 2022 20:36:49 GMT
I appreciate your advice Mark and Kerouac. After a month I'll stop recording at night (this Saturday) and take the damn thing off at bedtime. I am going to wear it during the day tho as it reminds me to move about more.
Jeff is in bed now..he went to bed at 20:30...but was up at 0400 (because he was awake). We agreed that I will stay up until I'm ready for bed..it won't be late as I was up at 0600...but I will listen to my audiobook and set the timer for 30 minutes. Thank you again.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 27, 2022 21:45:43 GMT
If a person goes to bed at 8 pm, by 4 am he will have had the requisite 8 hours of sleep.
Can you get him to extend him bedtime by @30 minutes each night until he's reached an adult time (@10:30 or 11?) to go to bed?
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