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Post by hwinpp on Mar 24, 2011 5:13:26 GMT
Sorry Mark, no idea where that thread is or what it was titled.
Jack should know. It might even have been a thread that went off topic...
Not sure about how women are reacting to these gender related issues but in the classified sections of say the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung everything is gender neutral.
Re the photos on the CV here, I was surprised when I saw it. Important though because Cambodian names aren't immediately recognizable as belonging to a male or female.
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Post by onlymark on Mar 24, 2011 5:21:18 GMT
Just been looking through the online section of 'FAZ' about jobs. I can see a few Projektleiter/innen and Team-Assistenten/innen type of entries but there are many titles also in English, which would be neutral anyway. But then it always has to have a 'm/w' after it.
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Post by bjd on Mar 24, 2011 7:54:02 GMT
This article www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12843948 was posted on the TT this morning. Right on topic. I find that some of it is valid for French too -- like the fact of addressing 499 women + one man, and having to use the masculine form for adjectives, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 8:35:41 GMT
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Post by onlymark on Mar 24, 2011 8:54:43 GMT
Aha! Yes I remember it now. It's funny how this thread ended up covering the same ground from a different beginning.
The good old days of nearly a year ago. That's when one of the posters would still agree with me from time to time but another would still misinterpret what I said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 9:21:54 GMT
No chance of that now!
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Post by hwinpp on Mar 24, 2011 11:46:32 GMT
Yep. That's the one I meant.
Actually the example bjd mentioned is one of those things where I shake my head. Isn't it possible to just use the plain old- fashioned, mesdames et messieurs, ladies and gentlemen, meine Damen und Herren? Very seldom does this simple way of addressing people not work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 20:45:45 GMT
Polite and correct address!
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Post by hwinpp on Mar 25, 2011 5:30:00 GMT
Is that taken from an Agatha Christie movie?
I dread to think of how units in the armed forces are addressed nowadays.
Sorry Mark, not at all for equal rights there.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 28, 2011 9:12:58 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this news flash.... Just when you think you have heard all the stupid things going on in the US -- this comes along... Black hurricanes.... Well, it appears our African-American friends have found yet something else to be pissed about. A black congresswoman (this would be Sheila Jackson Lee, of Houston), reportedly complained that the names of hurricanes are all Caucasian sounding names.. She would prefer some names that reflect African-American culture such as Chamiqua, Tanisha, Woeisha, Shaquille, and Jamal. I am NOT making this up! She would also like the weather reports to be broadcast in 'language' that street people can understand because one of the problems that happened in New Orleans was, that black people couldn't understand the seriousness of the situation, due to the racially biased language of the weather report. I guess if the weather person says that the winds are going to blow at 140+ MPH, that's too hard to understand. I can hear it now: A weatherman in New Orleans says... Wazzup, mutha-fukkas! Hehr-i-cane Chamiqua be headin' fo' yo ass like Leroy on a rocket! Bitch be a category fo'! So, turn off dem chitlins, grab yo' chirren, leave yo crib, and head fo' de nearest FEMA office fo yo FREE shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 10:33:23 GMT
Priceless. Sheila sounds like a pretty Caucasian name, too. I would have it legally changed. The Wikipedia article on tropical cyclone names around the world is pretty interesting, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 16:32:43 GMT
Since we do have black members here (and mixed race), I certainly hope that no offense is taken for having a little fun with over-the-top PC. As a mixed-French mongrel, I'm sure you can imagine all of the jokes I have heard over the years (both funny and unfunny) about the French and their weird behavior and prickly issues.
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 28, 2011 19:01:22 GMT
The email (or random web response) quoted in #159 is not a news flash, but an objectionable response to a news story from 2006: www.snopes.com/racial/language/hurricane.aspWhatever one thinks of Congresswoman Lee & her suggestions, the responses to her comments were blatant excuses to air offensive racist "humor".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 19:24:36 GMT
Here we ago again. (This is after all the debate branch.)
In this new politically correct world, it appears that only Jews can make jokes about Jews, only black people can make jokes about black people, only gays can makes jokes about gays, only the handicapped can makes jokes about the handicapped, etc.
I am an adult, and know that most jokes are written by responsible people, but that some jokes are written by jerks and racists. I am prepared to find certain things funny and certain things offensive and quite a number of other things borderline.
I do not want to live in a world where every single off color item or controversial joke is banned in advance out of fear that somebody might be offended somewhere. I was brought up to appreciate freedom, even when it is not totally consensual, and I also know that everybody's concept of freedom is not the same. For example, France has freedom from religion while the U.S. has freedom of religion, and it is not entirely the same thing, as the debate about outlawing the full veil proved.
Freedom of speech is one thing that I will not abandon, not will I abandon my right to find certain things funny. I certainly do not try to prevent anybody from laughing at cheese eating surrender monkeys.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 29, 2011 13:06:21 GMT
Maybe I used the wrong term 'News Flash' but it was definitely meant tongue-in-cheek. The item in question was sent to me from a Canadian friend. When I read it I thought it fitted into the category on Anyport listed as "Cultural Sensitivity" . He only sent me the part I wrote not the whole enchilada to which Bixa has given the old 2005 link. I'm sorry if this was too cultural for words...... .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 14:13:44 GMT
My point is basically why would everybody be laughing their ass off if somebody like Chris Rock says it in a skit but find it racist if somebody else says it? I know that you meant no harm, tod2, but USAnians still have so much stuff to get over that 'racist' has become the all purpose word for something you don't agree with.
We get a bit of this at my office, too, because when an ethnic French supervisor does not give permission to an ethnic Arab employee to do something, he or she is often called a racist. Such a useful word!
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Post by mich64 on Aug 29, 2011 15:28:33 GMT
A pertinent word, however, it is being used casually. Often, (not always) when used literally it is in convienience to the user and that is when it is offensive and disrespectful to the intent of the word.
Tod2 was not being insensitive, she was commenting on the how one group of people found it necessary to personalize a generic system of identification. The next complaint would be why was that specific storm given an ethnic name instead of one of the generic ones. She was just making a statement of how silly the need to make changes is, change is not always needed, things remaining the same are actually okay.
Cheers, Mich
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Post by onlymark on Aug 29, 2011 17:47:10 GMT
I see that in 1979 male names were introduced due to placate feminist groups.
I'd just like to say that as a champion of animal rights I feel it is only fair to give them animal names as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 17:55:29 GMT
Fido, Skippy, Spot, Tigger, Buddy, Shadow, Lucky....
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Post by onlymark on Aug 29, 2011 18:34:15 GMT
I'm trying to remember the name of a dog that featured in a film about the Dambusters operation during WWII. The name of it was also used as a code word to signal that a dam had been successfully breached....... but the name escapes me at the moment. Perhaps, K2, you can remind me?
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Post by mich64 on Aug 29, 2011 18:47:40 GMT
Speaking of cultural sensitivity, that dog's name was Nigger. Morse code was used by Wing Commander Guy Wilson and his dog was killed and he named a mission after him. Is this the information you were trying to remember Mark? Cheers, Mich
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 18:47:44 GMT
Sorry, I was only in 6th grade back then, so I don't remember.
I am trying to imagine a CNN weather advisory telling us "Mister Buttons has been ungraded to a category 5 killer storm."
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Post by mich64 on Aug 29, 2011 19:00:31 GMT
Perhaps my dog's name would be considered with the current system, his name is Jebidiah, or more commonly known as Jeb. Cheers! Mich
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Post by onlymark on Aug 29, 2011 19:45:32 GMT
mich, you're a star.
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Post by hwinpp on Aug 30, 2011 6:36:21 GMT
... I certainly do not try to prevent anybody from laughing at cheese eating surrender monkeys.
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