Sandwiches

[lagatta]

The expert has spoken.

[fumobici]

Feb 28, 2019 13:08:11 GMT onlyMark said:

"Many sandwiches are made with one piece of bread, such as a bread roll."
Then it's a roll. e.g. ham and cheese roll.
Unless it is a cob, then it's, for example, a chip cob. Or a bap. If it is two slices of bread it can be called a sandwich or a butty..... or a sarnie. Though in certain circles a chip butty is also using a roll/cob. A bap is larger and more often softer.
Clear as mud?

Cob? Bap? Butty? Sarnie? Might as well all be in Martian to me.  I've heard of a "chip butty" before but just assumed it was just another expression of dry British humo(u)r rather than an actual victual 

[lagatta]

Not only that, the terms can be very regional. The merguez frites in France can also contain spicy Maghrebi sausage and frites within the same hunk of baguette. Or the Belgian mitraillette en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitraillette Not the same thing as our poutine (yecchh) but just as over-the-top greasy and starchy. There are a lot of traditional dishes in many countries that multiply carbs or whatever was available. Look at the pierogi family; dumplings filled with potato. There are traditional Italian pasta dishes served with potato...

Bixa, I was being a bit facetious about tacos. Even the invention of the sandwich by the Earl of seems to want to bestow an air of raffish nobility on something people have eaten since there was some kind of bread and some kind of filling. Trenchers go back a hell of a long time before the Earl of Sandwich.

[onlyMark]

fumobici, and of course so as not to spread too many seeds of confusion, I did miss out the barm cake - which is not a cake but a large bread roll. Called 'barm' because it is leavened by using the froth from fermenting liquid, called, barm. It is called a cake for no other reason that probably because we can. I have no idea. A bit like the multi-use word in English cuisine, 'pudding'.

These large bread rolls are used to house a number of fillings, no less being a large piece of black pudding, or, and popular amongst football fans, wedged between would be a Cornish pasty ('pasty barm') or more likely, a meat pie of some flavour and dubious origin. This would be called a "Wigan kebab".

Also, and again, not mentioned due to the confusion issue, is that a roll is known in certain places as a 'batch'. I've used this term often where I'm from, the central area of the UK.
Nevertheless, this list isn't comprehensive as it does miss out many forms from Wales, Scotland and Ireland where, for example, in the south of Ireland around a town called Waterford (as in Waterford crystal) a bread roll is a 'blaa'.

Moving on, a snack in India called a "bread cutlet" involves two slices of thick white bread, spread with chutney and mild curry flavoured potato, cut into a triangle, dipped in a batter of besam flour and then deep fried.
And one of my favourites, "Vada Pav" - a deep fried potato patty in a bun. Cheap and filling -



And this would be the fairly standard grilled sandwich I would eat. Normally with some cheese inside though. There are much larger and ones crammed full of stuff but this is about the norm -

[questa]

This is not for easily offended people...seriously.

About 3 years ago a bunch of Med students were celebrating exam results...totally pissed. They rocked up to the pizza shop about 12am when the manager was closing up. He said there were only bits and pieces left but they could use them and he'd bake it. So they concocted the pizza with hot chips, burger patties, cheeses, tomato sauce etc. When it came out of the oven one of the students said, "What an abortion" and the others agreed and the word quickly spread. All the late trading takeaway places had it on their menus using the title AB Pizza.
have not seen them around lately...hot potato chips are awful on a pizza anyway.

[mickthecactus]

That Bombay Masala toast is definitely for me!

[onlyMark]

A variation with an overdose of cheese and butter -




Last one, basic variations with egg. I'd tend to tell them not to put the sliced cheese on though. These things are quick and cheap, about £0.50 or so and are for breakfasts. There are countless good and not so good sandwiches and if I fancy one I tend to have a walk round and see who is making what. Often they can be piled up with every vegetable until they are six inches high, in three layers of bread, then grilled.
This is with a mild potato curry, coriander chutney (spread), a couple of eggs, one is with a mild vegetable curry, there is usually some masala spice or chat masala spice and these re as basic as you can get. Often there will be sliced boiled potato, onion, tomato, bell pepper and whatever on them.
there are more types of sandwiches in India than there are anything else -



I'll let you move on.

[mickthecactus]

As a non egg eater these don’t appeal quite as much..

[lagatta]

getpocket.com/explore/item/how-the-sandwich-consumed-britain

[cheerypeabrain]

Good grief. Most supermarkets sell sandwiches but they always look very unappealing to me. As an unapologetic fussy eater I cant be induced to eat the sad, soggy, slimy things. When I was working I used to go to lunchtime meetings which were basically presentations put on by our colleagues at the hospital about advances or research in medicine. They were usually fascinating, sometimes boring and often incomprehensible! but tbh the main reason many of my colleagues attended was the generous spread put on by drug companies sponsoring the event. Usually packets of sandwiches from Marks & Spencer or Waitrose, cake, fruit and drinks...

The company reps would try to give a small presentation whilst doctors and scientists threw themselves at the food...bless. Anyway...I got to sample a few different types of sandwich. Yuk. Altho I was assured by everybody else that they were lovely.

At home yesterday I had a sandwich. Seeded wholemeal bread from M&S, thinly spread with Lurpak butter, grated mature cheddar cheese, shredded web lettuce, rocket, and thinly sliced cucumber...salt and pepper. Perfect.

[mich64]

Cheery your sandwich sounds delicious! I have not had a sandwich in about 9 months as I avoid bread 99% of the time, but if I did, I would like a sandwich just like yours!

[cheerypeabrain]

I'm glad that I'm not alone mich...I try to avoid too much bread but I've got a dough hook...so its unavoidable really.

[mich64]

Mar 4, 2019 20:33:32 GMT cheerypeabrain said:

I've got a dough hook

What is a dough hook Cheery?

[cheerypeabrain]

It's a very strong attachment for my Kitchen Aid mixer...which I love. Using the dough hook I don't have to knead my bread dough by hand. It makes it much easier to make bread.

[mich64]

Oh yes, now I know what the words mean. I really enjoy homemade bread, but it is now only a really special treat I allow very rarely. Not eating bread has made it possible for me to lose weight. Bread seems to be worse for me than sweets in regards to weight gain.

[cheerypeabrain]

My daughter in law lost 5 stone in preparation for her wedding by giving up bread and potatoes. Maybe I should give it a go...I live on bread, cheese and potatoes...seems like it anyway...

[mich64]

One of my favourite sandwiches to make was a tomato and cheese sandwich with mayonnaise, salt and pepper. Although I was quite particular about the tomato so enjoyed it mostly in the month of August.

I abstain from potatoes and pasta as much as possible as well. My daily diet is dramatically different from a year ago.

[bixaorellana]

Sounds like you're doing really well, Mich!

Tomato & cheese sandwich is really luxurious, especially since I love tomato sandwiches with mayo and s&p.

[cheerypeabrain]

Nah...cheese and cucumber with salt and pepper...I grow tomatoes and use pasata all the time in cooking...but raw tomatoes >>>shudder<<<

Healthy tho...

[onlyMark]

Made Feta cheese into a spread with chives. Spread on buttered brown(ish) bread with a sprinkle of cayenne pepper. Added a few crisps with salt and peppered tomato -

[kerouac2]

Smørrebrød in Denmark, tartine in France. But it still looks good.

[onlyMark]

I remember in the 70's the height of sophistication was serving what we called Danish open sandwiches.
But you seem to have missed the other slice of bread on the plate that was there with the intention of covering up the first one to make a proper sandwich. I left the other one off to take the photo otherwise a picture where you could only see the bread seemed underwhelming.

[kerouac2]

There is not enough filling to make a real sandwich unless you are a bread freak.

[bixaorellana]

I have to disagree because in the past I've made spreads with feta or queso fresco, which is similar. In my greed, I pile on the the spread, only to find that the sandwich winds up too salty that way.

Mark's sandwich appears to have just the right amount of spread. I hope he put the tomatoes on the sandwich before eating it, though, as that's what I would have done.

[onlyMark]

Both feta and chives (plus the pepper) are strong tastes. Too thick a filling with this combination would make it sickly. I'm certainly not in favour of the style of some countries who pile on and pile on the filling until you can't even fit it in your mouth to bite it.

Oct 5, 2023 18:48:52 GMT kerouac2 said:

There is not enough filling to make a real sandwich unless you are a bread freak.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying bread. Especially in Germany. You wouldn't appreciate the liking for it here with you living in baguette land which though it is nice, is somewhat synonymous as about all that is available in France. You know about Germany and bread but you've not "lived" the culture of it here.
You have travelled well but for proper living in a country, the two you have aren't exactly at the pinnacle of having good bread. One has crap bread and far too much filling like it's a competition, the other only has one type of bread.

There comes a point with the amount of filling that the bread makes no difference at all other than being a container. The art of a good sandwich always includes the bread used and the ratio between the two.
I have a bakery/cafe down the road from me I go to for breakfast quite often. The small breakfast of cheese, ham/salami jam and butter always has three different types of bread depending on what they have to hand. Could be rolls, could be sliced plus a coffee. The next size up has more of the fillings but five types of bread and a boiled egg. The big one has that but bacon and fried eggs as well. Can't beat it.

[onlyMark]

Oct 5, 2023 21:10:54 GMT bixaorellana said:

Mark's sandwich appears to have just the right amount of spread. I hope he put the tomatoes on the sandwich before eating it, though, as that's what I would have done.

I think we posted at the same time.
If I'd have put the tomatoes on then the crisps would have been lonely and I'd have felt bad and included them as well. I do often put them on but not today on that one. It's quite random as to if I include them or not.

[bixaorellana]

Well, you salted AND peppered the tomatoes, so it's obvious you know what you're doing.

[onlyMark]

One of the few times in my life.

[kerouac2]

Country pâté with butter and pickles on a baguette.

[fumobici]

That sandwich is strange to me, but I'd happily give it a try. I bought an enormous porchetta panino at the weekly market here in Anghiari that was heaven in my hands. Didn't take a photo, however. Took me two tries to eat it.