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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 14:33:29 GMT
I also heard on news this a.m. that Facebook is #1 tool for recruiting of insurgents for Al Quiada and other terrorist factions.Preying on youth.
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Post by spaceneedle on Dec 22, 2009 6:24:02 GMT
I'm glad to see others who are facebook refusniks.
I think that history will show that fb was a very, very bad idea.
I honestly don't understand the 'oversharing on the internet' phenomenon...
Unless you are willing to shout your personal info out in the middle of Times Square with a bullhorn, you should not be posting it somewhere like fb, IMO.
But then again, I see the people who are so addicted to social networking and it sort of makes sense... our culture is more self absorbed than ever. Le sigh.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 8, 2010 16:49:07 GMT
I'm bumping this thread for someone who asked how to use facebook as a useful tool for promoting AnyPort. It continues to amaze me how people will completely reject something without having the whole picture. It is entirely possible to use and enjoy facebook without sharing any personal information nor being sucked into a terrorist faction. To the person who wanted to know how to link AnyPort threads on facebook, the directions are on the previous page of this thread<--click, Reply #30.
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Post by spindrift on Jan 8, 2010 16:53:18 GMT
Thanks Bixa....c'etait moi! Yesterday I had the satisfaction of deleting a so-called 'friend'....gone gone into cyberspace....bye bye....
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Post by Don Cuevas on Jan 8, 2010 17:33:01 GMT
I've been urged by a few friends and relatives to join FaceBook, but it's difficult to get any sense from the FB webpage what, exactly it's about. (I know, I could look it up on WikiPedia and get more info, but, let's just say I'm a negative-minded refusenik.)
My reply, to my eager friend was that I alread subscribe to 4 or 5 Internet forums, have 2 blogs and 2 photo sharing sites; for what do I need another social network?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2010 17:41:41 GMT
I do love the Facebook parlance for removing 'friends' -- "I defriended her."
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Post by livaco on Jan 8, 2010 17:43:25 GMT
I don't know that shouting your info in Times Square with a bullhorn is a fair comparison unless you have a public profile on fb, which most people I know do not.
The only people who can see the information that I post are people that I have accepted as friends. So a more fair question to ask is would you tell that information to all of those friends? And I don't think sharing information and thoughts and reading those of others is more "self-absorbed" than, say, mingling and talking to people at a party or something...
I don't know. I like communicating with friends, especially those who live far away that I don't see at parties.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 8, 2010 17:50:46 GMT
Don Cuevas, one overwhelming reason to join is because of all the people who use it to post their personal pictures. That's the reason I joined originally, as it's the only way you can access friends' photos there.
As has been earlier pointed out on this thread, you need not use it as a social network, merely keep it as a gateway to occasionally check out friends. You'll see by previous replies on this thread that it can be different things to different people.
You can sign up as Don Cuevas, for instance, rather than with your given name, and use all the privacy setting. Then you can tell those people who want to share their photos via facebook to "friend" you under that name.
I have no idea how this thread turned into a pro- or anti-facebook discussion. I reiterate, it has its uses, and for those who already use it, the suggestion was made that they add the "share on facebook" button in order to quickly and easily link anyport threads to facebook.
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Post by Don Cuevas on Jan 8, 2010 17:57:40 GMT
But, I get notifications from friends and relatives (and even a few "fans" I don't personally know), to view their PicasaWeb albums updates.
"I have no idea how this thread turned into a pro- or anti-facebook discussion. I reiterate, it has its uses, and for those who already use it, the suggestion was made that they add the "share on facebook" button in order to quickly and easily link anyport threads to facebook."
The very nature of the Internet promotes controversy varied opinions, so why should FB be an exception?
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Post by existentialcrisis on Jan 9, 2010 23:52:10 GMT
I will repeat. I have a public profile, and I would shout out my information with a bullhorn. I just don't care. I am not hiding anything. It's not like my credit card information and phone number are on there... no wait, I did post my phone number up there once.
Guess what else? I never get any spam mail or prank calls... crazy huh?
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Post by fumobici on Jan 10, 2010 6:09:55 GMT
Yep, the pursuit of privacy as an overriding priority can be a self constructed prison. There obviously are potential downsides to being more open but the logic of fear is ultimately one of self defeat.
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Post by existentialcrisis on Jan 10, 2010 21:38:12 GMT
Well said.
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Post by rikita on Jan 13, 2010 18:44:47 GMT
i disagree.
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Post by fumobici on Jan 13, 2010 21:10:04 GMT
It really wasn't very well enunciated was it?
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Post by bjd on Jan 14, 2010 8:08:37 GMT
I disagree too -- not wanting your life and everything about you available on a public forum doesn't mean that you are afraid of everything and everybody.
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 14, 2010 9:23:30 GMT
I disagree too -- not wanting your life and everything about you available on a public forum doesn't mean that you are afraid of everything and everybody. I agree, but then again, I also understand that everyone's idea of privacy is different. It's also important to note that facebook changed it's privacy settings for U.S. users in December, removing quite a few of the privacy settings. Now all profile photos are public and facebook listings are indexed by Google. Also, you can no longer shield who sees your page, in other words, friends of friends of friends can view it now. Before, you could designate that friends of friends could not view your info. Canadian FB account holders are protected by Canadian privacy laws, so many of their privacy settings still remain unchanged. Privacy settings on FB and myspace are also an illusion, nothing is hackproof and those settings can be gotten around by those who know how to do it. Don't ask me how I know all this-- I also know for a fact that most employers in the U.S. regularly troll facebook looking at potential employees... and some look at what current employees are doing there also. There is also another thing about facebook that is problematic. People like me who are sans facebook accounts also do not want their info on FB vis-à-vis others. I was at a holiday party where photos were being taken by another attendee and I had to tell this person SPECIFICALLY that I did not want her posting my photo as an attendee of this party on her FB page. It's gotten THAT bad.
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Post by Kimby on Jan 14, 2010 9:32:19 GMT
Yep, the pursuit of privacy as an overriding priority can be a self constructed prison. There obviously are potential downsides to being more open but the logic of fear is ultimately one of self defeat. It bothers me when my niece posts about an upcoming trip, which could lead to the wrong people knowing when her house is going to be unoccupied, and ripe for burglary. I don't know what her privacy settings are, so don't know how widespread access to this kind of info is. Post about the trip AFTER the trip. BTW, add me to the camp who "doesn't get it"
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 14, 2010 9:46:25 GMT
Yep, the pursuit of privacy as an overriding priority can be a self constructed prison. There obviously are potential downsides to being more open but the logic of fear is ultimately one of self defeat. It bothers me when my niece posts about an upcoming trip, which could lead to the wrong people knowing when her house is going to be unoccupied, and ripe for burglary. I don't know what her privacy settings are, so don't know how widespread access to this kind of info is. Post about the trip AFTER the trip. BTW, add me to the camp who "doesn't get it" Yes, you never know who is watching on FB, this woman found out about that the hard way: From yahoo news: Smiling on Facebook costs Canadian her insurance
MONTREAL (AFP) – Facebook can be a double-edged sword, a Canadian woman learned when an insurance company cut her health benefits, claiming she was healthy after seeing pictures of her smiling in bikini at the beach.
Nathalie Blanchard, 29, took long-term sick leave from her job at IBM in Bromont, Quebec, more than a year ago for severe depression. She was receiving monthly benefits from her insurance company, Manulife.
When Blanchard called Manulife to inquire why the payments dried up, the insurance company said that "I'm available to work, because of Facebook," she told CBC television.
She said that Manulife cited several pictures Blanchard had posted on her social networking website page, including some showing her enjoying herself during a male strip-tease show at a Chippendales bar, celebrating her birthday and bathing in the sun.
Based on these postings, the firm claimed Blanchard was no longer depressed.
Manulife declined to comment on the incident but said in a statement that "we would not deny or terminate a valid claim solely based on information published on websites such as Facebook."
But the company did recognize that it uses such information to learn more about their clients.
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Post by existentialcrisis on Jan 14, 2010 10:10:42 GMT
... well, sorta sounds like she took time off work to party I would not be on facebook if: a) public pictures would affect my career or ability to get a job b) I had a crazy stalker c) I was claiming insurance wrongfully, or apparently wrongfully, or doing anything that the government might come after me for Otherwise, I see no problem with my pictures being on the internet.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 14, 2010 16:50:11 GMT
Now all profile photos are public and facebook listings are indexed by Google. Neither of those statements is correct. This is fb's announcement in regard to them: "Worried about search engines? Your information is safe. There have been misleading rumors recently about Facebook indexing all your information on Google. This is not true. Facebook created public search listings in 2007 to enable people to search for your name and see a link to your Facebook profile. They will still only see a basic set of information." A large variety of privacy settings on fb allow one to be as private or as public as desired.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2010 18:26:36 GMT
... well, sorta sounds like she took time off work to party I would not be on facebook if: a) public pictures would affect my career or ability to get a job b) I had a crazy stalker c) I was claiming insurance wrongfully, or apparently wrongfully, or doing anything that the government might come after me for Otherwise, I see no problem with my pictures being on the internet. You may feel that way currently EC,may change your mind down the road,and then it's too late. I'm with the other camp obviously,DO NOT GET!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2010 18:49:02 GMT
I'm not a fan of facebook. Having a short attention span, (okay I admit to it), I can't be bothered with it.
I do actually have a face book account, but I only use it once in a blue moon and only to keep an eye on what my kid is up to. And I certainly don't have any private information or photos on it, no way.
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 14, 2010 19:01:54 GMT
Hi, I am not trying to argue, but for U.S. based accounts, this is true... trust me on this. The "default" setting for FB is to index your account. If you don't realize this for a while, then you can't really "un-index" it, if that makes sense. Once it's there, it's there. Here's more about the changes that happened for U.S. users in December: www.pcworld.com/article/184188/facebooks_new_privacy_settings_5_things_you_should_know.htmlThe good thing about these changes is that maybe now people will think more carefully before posting on facebook, since internet=forever Now all profile photos are public and facebook listings are indexed by Google. Neither of those statements is correct. This is fb's announcement in regard to them: "Worried about search engines? Your information is safe. There have been misleading rumors recently about Facebook indexing all your information on Google. This is not true. Facebook created public search listings in 2007 to enable people to search for your name and see a link to your Facebook profile. They will still only see a basic set of information." A large variety of privacy settings on fb allow one to be as private or as public as desired.
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 14, 2010 19:14:23 GMT
You can sign up as Don Cuevas, for instance, rather than with your given name, and use all the privacy setting. Then you can tell those people who want to share their photos via facebook to "friend" you under that name. This is a great suggestion and many people do this-- however, using a false name is against the facebook TOS, and if they find out they will deactivate your account. Just a FYI just in case you weren't aware. (see 4. (1) ) www.facebook.com/terms.php?ref=pf
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Post by hwinpp on Jan 15, 2010 3:26:55 GMT
If you do give a false name, remember to give an email address that nobody knows about. That is what people catch you with. I'm registered as XY but I gave them an old, out of use email. Still people managed to find me...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 12:33:00 GMT
I wonder how long Facebook is going to last.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 17:41:29 GMT
As long as there are people with too much time on their hands, it'll keep going. Unless the legalities and other consequences of using it close it down eventually.
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 15, 2010 18:44:41 GMT
I wonder how long Facebook is going to last. I hope not very long...
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Post by rikita on Jan 17, 2010 20:45:30 GMT
well the thing is, i do not mind having my photos on the net - i have many photos of myself on my flickr account. i just don't like social networks. of course everyone can have them if they like - even if i find some of their policies questionable (starting at, that by posting your pictures you grant them rights to use those pictures - actually, it used to be that you granted them those rights for even several years after you took those pictures down, these days the license ends when you take them down, and continuing at their default settings which might be okay for those smart enough to change them - but i bet many of the especially younger users will not think of that) - i am just sick of getting invitations or people telling me to go get a facebook account so they "can keep in touch with me".
and yeah, i am not sure what i am going to do in later life, so these days i am more careful with some information about myself than i used to - and i hope those things i used to give out freely don't bite me in the arse one day...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2010 14:39:04 GMT
Didn't facebook start sending you names of people to befreind, that are only on your contacts list in your email account a while back? That's way too much intrusion into my privacy and put me off for good.
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