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Post by hwinpp on Jul 4, 2011 7:23:57 GMT
Unbelievable!
I believe gun ownership laws are a bit too strict in Europe but in America it's exactly the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 10:35:09 GMT
While I find this appalling,I do not think it necessarily has to do with the gun laws in the U.S. being too lax.(I'm not saying I agree with the gun laws either,so,not to misconstrue my sentiment on that matter please) In this instance,it appears that the courts system failed. "Small claims" courts in particular,are so slop shod. All they are interested in is moving people in, and moving them out.
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Post by Kimby on Jul 17, 2011 18:23:50 GMT
Here in the states we don't profile, we don't discriminate against nut cases and we love our guns.
What a recipe for chaos!
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 18, 2011 22:39:44 GMT
I think Casimira read the situation correctly. I wonder if the daughter and her husband were even advised that there was going to be a hearing, as their input would seem to be crucial.
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Post by auntieannie on Jul 19, 2011 16:14:42 GMT
nice... not!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 7:01:59 GMT
This whole story makes me wonder about "collecting." One person is not going to use all of those guns (I hope), but I wonder why someone would buy so many. Was each one different? Did he just get them at garage sales? How were they kept? And was he even still interested in them? (I suppose so, if the daughter felt it was important to take them away.)
I am for extremely strict gun control, but at the same time this article does not make any mention of guns being involved in the person's reason for internment. If the whole point is that "crazy people should not have weapons," should they be permitted to keep knives at home or drive a car? Those are deadly weapons as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 9:47:08 GMT
This does pose an interesting question. Some people do collect guns as they do other weapons,such as knives,for various reasons. For some it's the quality of the workmanship,their value as "collector's items" therefore, seen as an investment of sorts much the same as an antique rug. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. Still,others hoard guns with the idea that (and I have found this to be fairly common) at some point in time the "shit is going to hit the fan" and a full blown war or revolution is about to occur,and,therefore the need to protect one's home and self. There is an overwhelmingly growing number of "survivalists" out there. Some of them do indeed go to extremes. I know of some people who stayed here in New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit the city and the bedlam that occurred afterward when people were in some cases shooting at one another and all hell broke out. Persons who were here for that who swore they would never own a gun,now own guns. The same phenomena has occurred to some people I know who have been victims of violent crimes. I n reference to mentally ill persons owning guns,or, as someone said,"nut cases".( ): In the U.S. mentally ill persons have rights too. If this person mentioned in the OP was able to present himself as stabilized on medication,a mental competency hearing could be held,and, it is up the judge to make the decision as to whether or not he can legally own a firearm. As long as he is not a danger or threat to himself or others,this is his right,whether or not his family or anyone else agrees or disagrees. Many years ago,when I worked in the mental health field,there was a young woman who had been committed against her will to being hospitalized on a psychiatric ward. I worked very closely with this young woman and was privy to the fact that she was indeed suicidal at times,although,when it came time for her to present herself before the court and have the residing judge make that decision,she presented herself,quite convincingly as not being a threat to herself or others. Despite testimony from her psychiatrist and myself, stating that in our professional opinion,she should remain hospitalized,the judge ruled in her favor and she was released. I knew she had access to a gun and she knew that I knew that as well. Within 48 hours of being released,she blew her brains out. She left me a note on the dashboard of my car,thanking me for trying to help her.
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Post by Kimby on Jul 23, 2011 14:53:56 GMT
Wow, casi. Like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You must have felt so helpless.
However, if she wanted to die so bad, would it have been cruel to force her to live? Even if it was an illness that made her suicidal, was her longing for oblivion any less real or painful to her?
Who has the right to make someone live if they don't want to? I think about this a lot, as my Dad sinks into age-related dementia and laments the decreased quality of life. He sometimes makes comments about "ending it" and has a gun collection. I wouldn't think of taking it away from him. Of course, he has had 89 mostly good years, so that makes it less tragic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 17:25:04 GMT
Of course now we will be wondering about mental illness in the case of a Norwegian who can kill 91 people in one day for.... well, we're not sure why, are we?
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