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Post by bjd on Sept 4, 2024 5:51:06 GMT
I find that my handwriting, never the greatest, has become much worse and I have a hard time writing anything longer than a couple of words or a shopping list. However, I do type really quickly. Is that a coincidence?
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 4, 2024 6:05:33 GMT
My handwriting still looks the same even though I write almost nothing by hand these days. But my signature is definitely faltering. I used to have to sign up to 100 cheques a day at work (old enough to remember cheques!) but now sometimes I have to practice on a different sheet of paper before signing a document.
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Post by patricklondon on Sept 4, 2024 6:18:27 GMT
I was given a posh fountain pen as a work leaving gift (just as the WWW was dawning). It got some use when I was taking a course and had old-style exams to do, but stayed in a drawer until recently. I try to do a bit of writing practice most days, but I soon find my mind running ahead of my fingers and start to scribble. And as for electronic pens for signing for deliveries... Could be anyone. My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam"
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Post by mickthecactus on Sept 4, 2024 6:22:57 GMT
I am fortunate enough to have good spelling skils.
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 4, 2024 6:24:18 GMT
I don't write reams of stuff but I still do turn pen to paper especially for making lists or organising travels where I'm researching flights or day to day itineraries and so on. I always have a writing pad and a calendar at the side of the computer. Trying to do this on an electronic device just doesn't cut it.
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Post by whatagain on Sept 4, 2024 6:39:43 GMT
Reminds me that one day I had left a note on the door of my room for my girlfriend to tell her to join at some place as I was going to the gym and swimming pool. It was before cell phone and at a time I was exercising. She never showed up and I was disappointed. When we met the next day she told me she had asked 6 of my friend if they could decipher my note and nobody could. From then on I write any meeting point in capital letters.
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Post by mich64 on Sept 4, 2024 17:24:06 GMT
I had noticed when writing my Christmas cards last year that writing was more difficult and not flowing freely as it once did. Now that I am constantly writing notes it is improving. Just not doing it enough I guess. Happy that it no longer feels a chore.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 4, 2024 17:42:55 GMT
I saw that only 24 American states now require the teaching of cursive writing in schools. Most kids just learn to write in block letters if at all.
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Post by bjd on Sept 4, 2024 18:16:27 GMT
In Ontario, Canada, they had stopped teaching cursive some years ago but I believe they reinstated it last year. They realized that kids have a different relationship to reading and writing when they can write cursive. Unfortunately, they still haven't put it back in Quebec and my grandchildren cannot write in cursive. It looks strange when they print.
I just remembered that when we emigrated to Canada, I was 7 and put in Grade 2. I could read and write because I had started school in England, but in the Canadian class, the kids were doing something called "printscript" where they joined printed letters together. I was so bored that they moved me up a class within a month.
In France kids still learn cursive starting in the first grade and I remember that they started forming cursive letters in their last year of nursery school.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 4, 2024 18:45:26 GMT
I love a nice pen. I still have my Dad's old Parker but that takes ink cartridges. Years ago Jeff went to a burgled stationers to measure up and organise new plate glass windows. The manager of the little shop gave him a really nice fountain pen with a gold nib...the thieves had left it behind and the owner of the shop was pleased that Jeff had sorted out the problem so quickly.
I do tend to hold my pens too near the nib tho and invariably end up with ink stains on my fingers!
I could read reasonably well, knew my alphabet and could count when I started school at 5 years old. My eldest sister (12 years my senior) would spend a lot of time teaching me, and my Parents taught me to write my name clearly (for a 5 year old). My first name and surname were quite long so I needed lots of practice. I wasn't sent to preschool nursery, Mum was at home anyway and she didn't see the point. My 2 1/2 year old Great Granddaughter started nursery at 2, initially 2 days per week but is going up to 4 days soon. Her parents work from home so it's a huge help for them (Great Grandson is 3 months old but no doubt he will follow suit).
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 4, 2024 20:10:18 GMT
School is obligatory starting at age 3 in France now. I never set foot in a school until I was almost 6.
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Post by mickthecactus on Sept 4, 2024 20:14:38 GMT
3 is way too young. Or is that nursery school?
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Post by questaredux on Sept 4, 2024 23:34:11 GMT
I worked in team where the Doctor had such terrible writing that we convinced him to take a night-school course to improve his legibility. He chose to go Italic style, worked hard and had the fastest and most clear and beautiful scripts of us all.
My sons learnt to write during the change-over time and basically have no style. #2 has nice 'joined up print," but #1 changes all the time. At least they are legible!
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 5, 2024 3:39:28 GMT
Or is that nursery school? Yes, but it is still obligatory.
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Post by fumobici on Sept 5, 2024 4:20:30 GMT
School is obligatory starting at age 3 in France now. I never set foot in a school until I was almost 6. Surely that's to get mom into the labor pool and generating profits for already rich people ASAP.
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Post by bjd on Sept 5, 2024 5:26:53 GMT
Not particularly to get mothers into the labour pool since so many women work anyway. The reason given is that when kids go to nursery school, they are socialized better than kids who stay home. There are also problems with child care -- not enough available -- and state financial help with child care ends the year the child turns 3.
Most kids enjoy nursery school -- other kids to play with, learning things and the teachers are usually really good. Those who need them still get naps in the afternoons.
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 5, 2024 5:50:01 GMT
Cursive - I learned it at school but those ten years younger or so than me didn't. Never thought much about it until years later when I was going on courses where note taking was beneficial. A lot couldn't keep up and some just gave up all together.
In Germany the transition between kindergarten and school can be done early at a certain age. But the next year the child has to change over if it hasn't. No idea if this is common in countries but we ended up with one twin daughter who went to school and a year later the other twin went. This meant one finished their education a year before the other. This caused no problems until we went to Jordan and wanted to put them in the English School because there was no German school. Nope, they said, you can't have two kids of the same age in different years. They must both go into the same year. I asked then so one of mine must jump a year or the other one has to repeat a year.... Yes.
The American school was more understanding and split them into different years. Unfortunately this school ruined their English pronunciations probably for the rest of their lives. If they say "tomaydo" one more time I shall write them out of my will.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 5, 2024 5:55:54 GMT
Everyone knows it's pronounced "tahmaydah".
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Post by mickthecactus on Sept 5, 2024 8:18:29 GMT
I subscribe to a relatively local auction house and in return I get a weekly on line catalogue and results.
Last week they had an oil painting valued at £100-£150. It sold for £17,500. Somebody knew something.
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Post by questaredux on Sept 5, 2024 10:58:35 GMT
Recent research showed what parents have known for ages...boys under 7 years are more boisterous than girls and girls more likely to engage in socialising. While the girls will read, paint, engage in conversations and make "rules" for their imaginary play, boys will zoom around being fire engines, jet planes and during reading time are more likely to fidget, interrupt and stare out the window more interested in the postman bringing the mail than the story.
I was intrigued by the culture in Bali where the young children are given free rein at social occasions like temple ceremonies and the plethora of extended family ceremonies. Watching a 3/4 year old boy climbing over the temple Gamelan, a priceless set of traditional musical instruments, then joining other children throwing pebbles at the worshipping villagers.
I was amazed that no-one was taking any notice, so on his next run past me I caught his hand and said "sit with me please" in a pleasant tone. He settled down then sauntered off to his more sedate group. A grandfather like man leant over to me and said, smiling,"Don't worry, hr is still very young. The older boys will teach him how to behave."
Then he added, "In your country you are strict on the young children, Be quiet, sit still, don't make a noise, eat your meal, but as they get older they get more freedom, do things that worry the parents and take instruction from no-one."
"Here we let them have much freedom and as they grow they watch the older boys and learn how to behave. By 7 years the boys and girls can cook a meal, clean the house, wash clothes and know all the ritual chants...and teach the next batch of babies how to behave. We go from easy to strict, you go strict to easy."
Food for thought ?
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 5, 2024 15:33:56 GMT
Everyone knows it's pronounced "tahmaydah". They appear confusing when they speak English and are frequently asked where they are from because they normally are quite neutral, but some words are spoken with a "proper" English accent, some with an American one and what always makes me laugh, some words with hard vowels in an East Midlands accent.
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 5, 2024 15:38:54 GMT
School is obligatory starting at age 3 in France now. I never set foot in a school until I was almost 6. Is this wrong then? Or out of date? "Formal schooling in France starts as early as age three, when many children attend kindergarten (maternelle). Day care (pré-maternelle) is available from age two. While pré-maternelle and maternelle are not mandatory, all children must be enrolled in school by age six." fulbright-france.org/en/study-france/understanding-french-education-system#:~:text=Formal%20schooling%20in%20France%20starts,in%20school%20by%20age%20six. UPDATE - that could well be wrong then because I just found another source that says - "In France, educational instruction is compulsory for children between the ages of 3 and 16."
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 5, 2024 16:22:35 GMT
Yes, that first information was out of date. Age 3 became obligatory in France as from 2019. Children can attend at age 2 if they are (mostly) toilet trained. I know that at least a few "accidents" are tolerated, but I suppose that the tolerance is variable.
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Post by lugg on Sept 5, 2024 18:58:00 GMT
Hey ... well it is kind of linked to the previous posts ...just to say I am struggling to get here to read/post due to Grandma and Grandpaw duties and I have a holiday coming up at end Sept for a couple of weeks . I will pop in and out when I can but will be back properly mid October or so . take care all xxx
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 5, 2024 19:52:10 GMT
Have a great time lugg xxx
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 5, 2024 22:39:30 GMT
What a great reason to be absent ~~ have a wonderful time!
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 6, 2024 4:50:25 GMT
This item of news regarding - "A French woman who was raped by unknown men over 10 years after being drugged to sleep by her husband told a court of her horror at learning how she had been abused." www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9dwxexp77oI'm unsure what to make of this from a practical point of view. When she woke up, wouldn't it feel/be different to doing so in a morning after a normal night's sleep? Did she not feel the physical effects of the sex? Didn't the time and probably time of day, when she felt overly tired feel different to normal? I don't accuse her of anything and I'm not female, have never been raped or drugged but I can't relate to it at all.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 6, 2024 5:16:29 GMT
She has insisted on a public trial and it will last until December. The 50 defendents are all wearing masks and hoods since they have to be out in public, too.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 6, 2024 5:22:23 GMT
Did she not feel the physical effects of the sex? Well, she was married and probably woke up feeling dopey and thinking the effects were from her husband. Whatever, it's a perfectly vile story.
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Post by whatagain on Sept 6, 2024 17:05:55 GMT
That woman is exemplary Must take tons of courage to go to court. The husband should his balls cut and fed to a cat.
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