Another change. (Sorry I couldn't get the quotes to work)
Jan 3, 2012 at 10:03pm bixaorellana said: Will Rue Petit probably remain a Jewish enclave, or do these sorts of neighborhoods migrate upward, leaving their small beginnings to a new population and clientele?
From Kerouac Yes, each community dissolves into the city after its first concentration for convenience -- this took a hundred years in the old days, but now probably it is a matter of 30 or 40 years since everything goes faster.
From today's Le Parisien naming the 17th as the new residence of the large Jewish population. Are they moving up income wise? Are they escaping the gangs of the 19th that have been active in anti-Semitic attacks? Will I find chicken livers there? Since the Ashkenazim left the Marais chicken livers have been exchanged for felafel and I haven't been able to find any good onion bread either.
In the article, a person connected to the office of the maire of the 17th says that 1 out of 4 residents of the 17th arr. is Jewish. Amazing.
Well, that that article points out, this is a rather affluent neighbourhood, so it seems to concern the more successful elements of the population. Many articles that I have read recently talk about a major influx from some of the suburbs such as Sarcelles, but those are probably going to the 19th arrondissement or just "anywhere" in Paris if they don't have any real community of dietary desires.
I highly doubt that 25% of the population of the 17th arrondissement is Jewish, but as you know, there are no official statistics concerning religion in France.
One thing that intrigues me but about which it is almost impossible to find information is the "reverse alya" population. Israel remains totally mute on the subject since it is quite embarrassing that about 25-30% of French Jews who went to Israel prefer to return to France after about 2 years.
I too am interested in this as I've watched many of the interviews of the returnees on French TV who have decided that Israel is not for them. In one interview I remember, the speaker said he thought he was Jewish until he got to Israel and found out he was French. According to what I've heard and read in French media, many returnees feel exactly the same. As you point out, Israel owns up to nothing so my Jewish friends here find it impossible to believe given what they've heard about French antisemitism, that Jews actually return to France. I did not realize that 25-30 percent do.
My Paris hunt for chopped chicken livers and decent onion bread continues.
I will try to check out the neighbourhood in the 17th. I lived there for 2 years in the 1970's and the photo is of rue de Lévis, which was my market street. I was last there about a year ago and didn't notice anything different.
Huckle, at least half the French Jewish population is Sephardic\Mizrahi. Of course they do something with chicken livers, but not the Ashkenazi recipe. And while Kerouac's report shows religious shops and kosher groceries, many, perhaps most, French Jews are utterly secular. They might like going to the 19th for familiar foods, but aren't necessarily particularly religious. French people who emigrate anywhere are more likely to return than most other nationalities. Certainly some of the large contingent here in Québec will go back. (I mean French people of any religion or none).
By the way, chopped chicken livers is an easy dish to make, and there are many recipes online. I made chackouka for breakfast yesterday, and have half left over for this morning.
Ethnic enclaves do tend to change over the years, and the process is tending to accelerate, as K2 said. Nowadays Onze, one of the traditional Jewish neighbourhoods in Buenos Aires, is mostly Chinese and other Asian. I live in our traditional Little Italy; an Italian business presence remains and of course lovely old non-posh cafés, but there are a lot of Latin Americans (from many different countries; the first were educated refugees from Chile and Argentina, then refugees from Guatemala and Salvador, and now others). Earlier on, many Portuguese moved to the area as Portuguese (who arrived later) worked alongside Italians on building sites and the railway (men) and the garment industry (women). The latter in shops where once upon a time the labour force had been mostly Eastern-European Jewish, in an area south of here that - no surprise - is mostly artists and tech start-ups now.
Another major reason for reverse Alya to France is that, understandingly, some French Jews fled after the antisemitic murders in Toulouse and at Hyper-Casher etc. But life in Israel\Palestine remains far more dangerous, above all for Palestinians, but for Israelis as well. I'm certainly not downplaying the impact of terror, but overall France remains among the safest of countries.
I was looking at some ultra-nationalistic Israeli websites and even they admitted that 10% of the French had left but contested the "30-33% reported by the French media" which is of course "fake news." What they fail to mention is that a lot of the French leave without telling anybody because it is quite embarrassing to them. They just disappear from Israel. I have read that a certain number of them go to Canada or Australia instead, if they can get in. Since Israel pays for the plane tickets of the olim (new arrivals), I imagine that it has to pay for some of the returns as well. Israel gives financial aid for six months, and then it's sink or swim. There might be some sort of guarantee when entering the system ("Satisfaction guaranteed or we'll give you a return ticket.").
There are quite a few Jews among the large contingent of "New French" here in Montréal. Some are Jewish-identified in religious or cultural terms and seek out Jewish neighbourhoods and institutions, but most are simply of that origin.
Remember that Jewish people who make alya retain Israeli citizenship, and it can be handy to have more than one citizenship. Quite a few Lebanese Montrealers have moved back there but have retained Canadian citizenship in the event of crisis. But Alya is automatic for any Jewish person upon setting foot in Israel - however I am not knowledgeable about the criteria. After the War people with a Jewish father but non-Jewish mother were certainly allowed in, as they were singled out as Jews by the Nazis, but don't know the current criteria (Judaity is based on the maternal line).