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Post by lagatta on Aug 19, 2012 1:17:22 GMT
I have been to the 16e, briefly; isn't there also some impressive Art Deco architecture?
What a fascinating little church at the end; it almost looks more Latin American, but can't identify a specific country. Do you know its name?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 1:41:56 GMT
It's Saint Honoré d'Eylau. I read that it was built in 1896 using the technique of an iron framework "perfected by Mr. Eiffel." Apparently it was nearly torn down in 1968. There were plans for a real estate development which would have included a new church in the basement. What were they thinking? It was saved through a petition by parishioners (and I presume other people who were against architectural injustice).
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At the Belleville Arts Open Doors in Paris in 2007
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Post by ssander on Aug 19, 2012 23:52:53 GMT
Kerouac... This brings back great memories of our 2009 trip. We took a self-duided walk from the Book Paris History and Mystery by the British Auto Assn. -- a book with 24 interesting Paris walks. (We are Americans and bought the British book online, but I think Frommers has an edition of the exact same book, called 24 Great Walks in Paris.) The walk was called "Art Nouveau to Art Deco" and covered the area east of the round Radio France building. Naturally the R. la Fontaine and R. Agar portion was the coolest for those (like us) who love art nouveau. My pics can be found at www.sanderhome.com, for those interested. A few are the same as some of yours from that area. Lagatta: Yes, that walk also covered a number of streets with great art deco buildings. SS
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Post by Sylvia on Sept 21, 2012 6:20:15 GMT
Lets see... rich Africans are despots, expats are over paid, the Spanish church is for servants, some rich are good people, a dark skinned woman exiting a metro is, by definition a servant. I LOVE your racist rantings, K2. So Front National. Its funny, but so many of the young Parisians that I know living in the uber trendy 18th, 11th and 9th arrondisements spendntheir Sundays lunching chez la famille in the 16th. These are kids whose grandparents could afford a 3000$ fur coat innthe 70's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 11:31:36 GMT
Yes, well you have a lot of fans, too, phread.
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Post by dugraves on Sept 23, 2012 20:45:06 GMT
Thanks, K2 Your photo-essays are always enlightening and entertaining!! I lived in the 16th by chance when I was on sabbatical 1985. The Sorbonne's program of securing rentals for visiting professors found me an apartment in the 16th (rue Greuze and Decamps) but I never saw so much of the "neighborhood" as you showed. I will use this as a tour guide my next visit (May) and follow in your footsteps to appreciate the architecture more closely. Keep up the wonderful work!! :D
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Post by Ali Roberts on Oct 15, 2014 18:41:40 GMT
I know I'm late to this but we're due to move to Paris with our two young children and are looking at the 16th and have really enjoyed your journey. Would people generally recommend it for families? Am open to opinions! Many thanks x
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 18:48:58 GMT
If you are quite affluent, why not? Your children would have the same lifestyle as the other local children (equestrian activities, ski holidays, Christmas in the Seychelles or somewhere equivalent...).
If this is not what you had in mind, I suggest a more "normal" part of Paris. The 15th and 17th are both mostly upper middle class, for example, but there is not the same pressure to keep up with the Joneses.
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Post by lagatta on Oct 15, 2014 23:48:15 GMT
It is still boring Paris, though I have explored it with very non 16th friends, just for the architecture. I'm sure all the teenagers at Apprentis d'Auteuil make the requisite pedophile jokes about the statue of the priest carrying about the little boy. I found this about the restaurant: auteuil-bon-restaurant.apprentis-auteuil.org/ They also have one in Lyon. Don't see a website or e-mail, or social media link to the Lyon resto. Bizarre. They are open from Monday to Thursday in the evening, which could be really interesting if it is modestly-priced and decent. La Salle à manger 52 cours Charlemagne 69002 Lyon Ouvert du lundi au vendredi, 12h00-14h00 / Du lundi au jeudi, 19h30-22h00 Réservations : 04 72 40 95 97 I agree with K2's housing recommendations. Some of the people I know in Paris are quite affluent, but they wouldn't want to live in the 16th. The rich-person equivalent of "la zone", obviously a million times more pleasant in terms of amenities, but boring as all hell for teenagers. No, don't move into poor areas and expel the residents, but there are lots of pleasant, affluent areas of Paris that aren't full of private streets.
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Post by kristina on Aug 2, 2017 9:36:12 GMT
maybe somebody knows anything about this church? there is no information in the internet and it is pretty hidden. I am interested is it still working? or is something happening in there? maybe somebody knows who owns it?
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 2, 2017 10:15:46 GMT
That is Saint Louis de Gonzague on rue Raynouard. It's operated by Jesuits who run a private high school in the neighbourhood -- Saint Louis de Gonzague-Franklin.
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Post by kristina on Aug 2, 2017 21:23:48 GMT
kerouac2 thank you a lot!! I am making my graduation project in architecture on this corner. Maybe you know if the church still performs mass?
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Post by lagatta on Aug 3, 2017 12:15:01 GMT
It was interesting to see this thread again. I still wouldn't want to live there, tempting as a social housing flat in that great Dérangé building might be. Think shopping would be VERY pricy.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 3, 2017 13:06:18 GMT
kerouac2 thank you a lot!! I am making my graduation project in architecture on this corner. Maybe you know if the church still performs mass? I'm afraid that I misinformed you. I took a closer look through Google Maps, and this seems to be a private building, on the corner of rue Raynouard and rue de l'Annonciation. I thought that the street address was 44 rue Raynouard, but this appears just to be a house for sale at 1,200,000 euros for 85m². The address of the chapel is actually around the corner at 4 rue de l'Annonciation. It all seems to be part of a bigger complex called Notre-Dame de Grâce de Passy which is specialised in helping the homeless and organising activities for children. This takes place at 8-10 rue de l'Annonciation, and there is a slightly bigger church there that is still in use.
Here is their website: www.ndgrace-passy.com/index.htm
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Post by lagatta on Aug 3, 2017 14:13:48 GMT
Are there homeless and other extremely poor people in the 16th? I remember my surprise about the London borough Grenfell Tower was located in.
I'm glancing at the parish website: they have volunteers who provide French language lessons, they also have an épicerie sociale where poor people pay no more than 10% of their grocery bill - and choose what they want to buy.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 3, 2017 14:16:26 GMT
When I have strolled through the 16th arrondissement, I have often had the impression that there are even more beggars than in the rest of Paris. After all, it is logical to go where the money is.
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Post by lagatta on Aug 3, 2017 14:21:59 GMT
It's logical, but people I know who've been homeless say the wealthy are often very stingy...
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 3, 2017 14:31:34 GMT
That is very true. I have always noticed here that it is the poorest people who are the most prone to give money to beggars. I think that the propension of certain beggars to prefer rich areas is the fact that every now and then, somebody will suddenly give a 50 euro banknote on a whim (especially if they are drunk).
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