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Post by fumobici on Nov 22, 2013 20:51:50 GMT
Without a doubt one of the all-time classic topics here. Maybe my favorite Paris one.
Thanks.
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Post by htmb on Nov 22, 2013 22:29:45 GMT
Noted the ending, along with the timing. Nice.
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Post by mossie on Nov 24, 2013 9:54:04 GMT
I don't wish to sound ungrateful, because this is a very interesting and informative thread, but you did miss a very interesting little stretch. Here a modern block has been cunningly placed over the old tracks where they cross rue Petit in the 19e  And here is the pretty little pedestrian bridge where rue de la Mare was rudely bisected by the line beside the Menilmontant station in the 20e. Note the station has completely disappeared under the shrubbery.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 12:10:19 GMT
There is a picture of the rue Petit crossing in my report, but I haven't seen the bridge in the second picture.
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Post by mossie on Nov 25, 2013 14:44:02 GMT
Sorry, I must have missed that one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 22:29:56 GMT
I finally got back to the inadmissable oversight that Mossie pointed out - between rue de Ménilmontant and rue des Couronnes.   Here is the rue de la Mare bridge.   Even though the rest was underground to the Buttes Chaumont, it was obvious that it was covered over later.  |
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Post by htmb on Jul 21, 2014 22:13:36 GMT
I've just gone through the first part of this thread again and I'm again struck by the time and attention you spent documenting the details. It's even more interesting to me since I recognized some of the PC while on my last visit to Paris. On your first page there are photos of at least two overpasses that have been rebuilt for no apparent reason. I'm wondering if SNCF rebuilt the overpasses as a continuing effort to lay ownership claim to the overpass space.
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Post by mossie on Jul 22, 2014 7:40:20 GMT
I think that when the tram system was first proposed consideration was given to rehabilitating all or part of the PC for it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 10:26:33 GMT
They thought about that in the 13th arrondissement but the plan was discarded because the trench was too deep and totally contrary to a user friendly system also fully adapted for the disabled.
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Post by WizehOP on Aug 27, 2014 19:57:19 GMT
Are there any films or film footage of this line in existence?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:33:40 GMT
Here is at least a modern film about it.
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Post by mossie on Aug 28, 2014 7:03:30 GMT
Many thanks for that Kerouac. Brings back "the good old days" .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 14:26:54 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Sept 28, 2014 22:42:35 GMT
Super, le film...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 19:22:30 GMT
Tonight, I finally got a chance to visit the old "Ornano" station at Porte de Clignancourt. It was reopened a few months ago as an alternative bar/restaurant/event venue and has become wildly popular in that short time. It is called "La Recyclerie" ("the recycling place") and one of the things that makes it so pleasant is because it really is assembled from bric-à-brac and all sorts of things that people were dumping. It doesn't look much from the outside, because if they weren't going to spend much on the interior, they were certainly not going to knock themselves out on the outside of the building. Work is just beginning on another station that was bought by the city of Paris -- the Porte de Saint Ouen station, which will have all of this same stuff and also a place for concerts. But that station is being completely renovated, so it won't be ready for two more years. |
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Post by htmb on Dec 14, 2014 20:04:13 GMT
This certainly looks like a very interesting and relaxing use of the space.
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Post by lagatta on Dec 14, 2014 20:57:19 GMT
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Post by bjd on Dec 15, 2014 8:00:44 GMT
Indeed, it looks really interesting. -- I find there is more and more of this idea of lending/reusing/recycling/selling cheap rather than throwing away and buying new.
It's good too that so many people seem to enjoy going to eat and drink there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 10:16:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 13:24:11 GMT
Around the Poterne des Peupliers tram stop on line 3a in the 13th arrondissement, they are working on a new little section of promenade plantée to open next spring. |
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Post by tod2 on Oct 23, 2015 14:19:28 GMT
Wonderful to go through this entire thread once again. I especially wanted to see your photos of the Porte de Cligancourt section.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 12:18:45 GMT
They have definitely laid brand new tracks on the petite ceinture in the 17th arrondissement. But why? I found an article dating from 2011 saying that they were maintaining the rail line "just in case it is needed in the future." I have to admit that we regret so many things that were demolished in the past and often say "if only they had kept that!" Time will tell. Meanwhile, not very far away, the railway line has come back to a different kind of life. It's really kind of hard to accept that this is Paris in the year 2016. |
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Post by mossie on Jan 19, 2016 13:26:51 GMT
Well, they can't be accused of coming from the wrong side of the tracks.
Where is this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 13:31:05 GMT
It's at Porte des Poissonniers not far from Porte de la Chapelle.
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Post by htmb on Jan 19, 2016 21:31:05 GMT
Wow!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 21:44:05 GMT
I confess that I was riding a bus and the moment that I spotted that I had to jump off to get a better look.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 19, 2016 22:14:38 GMT
Goodness gracious! Yes, I'll bet you hustled off that bus. Any idea when this encampment began? I wonder if it grew from one or two shacks, or if it was a bunch of people colonizing at the same time. Most of them seem to have chimneys.
I haven't looked at this wonderful thread in a long time and find it hugely ironic that the middle of the page features a delightful restaurant, walkway, seating area & market all created from discarded materials. The encampment fails to be as delightful in its hardscrabble use of materials. Any idea of who the inhabitants might be? How does the city deal with this, as the sanitary implications are grim.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 22:32:22 GMT
That is a typical Roma camp -- mostly Romanians and Bulgarians and therefore EU citizens with full rights to settle in any other EU country. I would imagine that it started with several dozen families who were kicked out of another location. I have no idea whether they scout out future possibilities ahead of time or if they just find them when the need arises. There is another much smaller camp right at the beginning of the A1 autoroute leaving Paris, in full sight of every driver heading north.
When a camp is destroyed dismantled, everybody is housed in temporary locations for at least two weeks, but this does not suit their lifestyle since it separates the groups and is generally in a location where they do not want to be. Frankly they react pretty much the same way we might react if we were forced out of our homes, but of course they put up with it better since they are used to not having running water, electricity or toilets. Social workers visit such places regularly and try to get the children in school and give medical assistance to those in need (they are all eligible for 100% free medical care, which is something that outrages conservative elements in the country) and to try to find more permanent solutions for the people who want them. Unfortunately, "permanent" does not at all suit the lifestyles of the majority.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:35:22 GMT
They opened that new little section of the Petite Ceinture that I mentioned in reply #109. These operations now have their own logo.  Of course the first thing I looked at through a fence was the part that they didn't open. I suppose it is because dead end = potential safety problem.  So here is the new part. It is only 650 metres long.  However, there are signs showing a multitude of future projects, so that's nice to know.   The vegetation should take off when spring sets in, but it is rather dismal at the moment.  There is just one overpass of a street running through there.  It offers a good view of the local graffiti wall.  The chaises longues will probably remain virgin until we get the first warm day of the year.  It all ends before the tunnel, obviously.  There is a tiny section of "real" park that they were able to create for people who don't want to see rails.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:43:51 GMT
The Roma camp on the rails at Porte des Poissonniers was evacuated this morning starting at 7:30 a.m. It wasn't at all a surprise raid as the residents had been informed of the schedule several days ago and more than half of them had left the camp by last night. There were 135 shacks in all, with a population of about 400 people. This time the Roma residents were a bit better organised and had time to form a building association. Many of them are carpenters, masons, plumbers, etc., so all they are asking for is a piece of nearby land on which to build their own village. The authorities have mixed feelings about this because while it is good that the people are being a little more dynamic, the creation of a closed community is not at all in line with the goals of integration to French society. I'm sure there will be more on the matter, but probably not on the " petite ceinture" thread! Who knows? |
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