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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jan 8, 2015 16:13:21 GMT
Thank you for posting the images from the rally Kerouac. It is heartening to see People Power in action on the streets of Paris.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 16:17:05 GMT
Hate to say it Kerouac, but here they are, photos of your post #9 above: Makes me feel quite sick.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jan 8, 2015 16:20:07 GMT
OMG....how can they do that....?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 17:03:38 GMT
That is dispicable. Surely there must be some way you can protest this Kerouac.
There is a Noon day demonstration/rally scheduled in Jackson Square in the French Quarter here in New Orleans.
The flags are all at half mast.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 17:33:59 GMT
I wrote to Photobucket and told them how outrageous it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 17:43:26 GMT
Unfortunately, I guess that is in the small print when we sign up for an account. I had no idea. Obviously, anything that is posted on Photobucket is put in the image bank and marketed, regardless of content. Even though all my anyport photos are hosted there, I may delete my account.
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Post by onlyMark on Jan 8, 2015 17:56:30 GMT
The bits in bold are what I have done and this is from their terms and conditions -
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:13:27 GMT
Very interesting, Mark. But in order for the photos to display on anyport, they have to be marked "Public", right? Otherwise, it's just a personal storage device, unable to be seen by anyone else.
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I travel in very PC circles, being an artist. However, I'm appalled by my facebook feed and the number of "friends of friends" writing that they have no sympathy for the workers at Charlie Hebdo and their racist, bigoted, sexist attempts at humour. These sensitive types are offended by the magazine and are as good as saying those killed were deserving of it.
I followed very closely the Salman Rushdie affair in '89, and subsequently wrote a play about it. I got the idea after attending a rally within days of the fatwa, where all sorts of famous writers took to the stage and declared, "I am Salman Rushdie". So all of this is very familiar. A lot of the anti-Rushdie sentiments were the same as those I'm reading today in the media regarding Charlie:
* freedom of the press is not carte blanche to offend * we need to be "sensitive" to all people regardless of their violent reactions * innocent people are being killed as a result of some selfish "artist's" vision * it's just bad art, anyway, and really has no right to exist
However, the Politically Correct police are baying for blood even more vocally than they were 25 years ago. And they're gaining ground. I'd never thought I'd see the day when 20-something queer feminists and old Muslim men were arguing the same side of the coin.
The only solution I have found to make sense of the world is this: Nothing is sacred. Nothing is blasphemous. Once we remove that concept from the equation, there is no offense possible. Which means that a lot of people have to suck it up and get over their hurt feelings. A lot of people have to let go of their delicacy. The world is an ugly place, and if you don't take offense at every little thing, then none of it has any power to hurt you.
And I acknowledge that my point of view has a snowball's chance of being adopted by anybody.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:28:58 GMT
Some of my albums are private and others are public. Those photos from last night were in a private album, but since I provided the link on a couple of forums, they automatically become public. Anyway, I don't really care -- it is Photobucket that is shaming itself, not me.
All day today, this is the homage that France Télévisions has been playing on all of its channels regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:36:09 GMT
Other than the 6 cartoonists and the police officer, do we have any idea of who the "civilians" were who were killed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:42:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:45:19 GMT
Thanks, I'm not finding that info anywhere else.
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Post by mossie on Jan 8, 2015 19:40:44 GMT
It is absolutely disgusting that politically correct prats are posting against Charlie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:46:57 GMT
The manhunt for the two brothers is beginning to focus on the area of the forest of Compiègne. It is a shame that the weather is warming up, because if it were freezing and miserable, it would probably help the police, since these two guys do not seem all that well prepared except in armament. The fact that they had to hold up a service station this morning to fill their tank and get some sandwiches means that they didn't even think that they might need money.
This is of course worrisome in its own way. If they have understood that they don't have the slightest chance of escaping, they are very likely to want to go out in a "blaze of glory." In any case, the region of Picardy has been placed on the same alert level as the adjoining Paris metropolitan area and everybody in the villages has been urged to stay locked up at home. Most of the little cities have become ghost towns in spite of the winter sales having begun yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:49:46 GMT
It is absolutely disgusting that politically correct prats are posting against Charlie. Sites like the Associated Press refuse to release any examples of the satire published by Charlie Hebdo because it might "offend." And I am sorry to say that this has been the decision of most of the American press. The next time they start ringing all their bells about the wonders of the "freedom of the press," I hope I get a chance to remind them.
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Post by mossie on Jan 8, 2015 20:12:14 GMT
I have to say that AP and like minded cowards should hang their heads in shame. It is time "freedom of the press" meant what it says.
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Post by bjd on Jan 8, 2015 20:18:02 GMT
I heard something about that on the radio this afternoon. None of the American papers published any of the cartoons or pictures of the cartoonists holding their magazine. They all had the picture of the policeman lying on the ground about to be killed. (This is what was on the front page of the International NY Times and I though it inappropriate when I saw it.) The explanation given on the radio today was that US news outlets don't want to offend any religion, hence they wouldn't show any of the drawings.
They did say that when that extremist Christian guy in Florida burned the Koran a few years ago, they didn't show that either.
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Post by bjd on Jan 8, 2015 20:33:46 GMT
Lizzy, here is a list in English off the BBC website:
Economist and regular magazine columnist Bernard Maris, 68, known to readers as Uncle Bernard Cartoonists Georges Wolinski, 80, and Jean "Cabu" Cabut, 76 Charlie Hebdo editor and cartoonist Stephane "Charb" Charbonnier, 47, who had been living under police protection since receiving death threats Cartoonists Bernard "Tignous" Verlhac, 57, and Philippe Honore, 73 Mustapha Ourrad, proof-reader Elsa Cayat, psychoanalyst and columnist, the only woman killed Michel Renaud, who was visiting from the city of Clermont-Ferrand Frederic Boisseau, 42, caretaker, who was in the reception area at the time of the attack Police officers Franck Brinsolaro, who acted as Charb's bodyguard, and Ahmed Merabet, 42, who was shot dead while on the ground
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 20:45:10 GMT
Yes, I got those, bjd. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 20:47:25 GMT
It warms my heart to see that there are quite a few other candles burning in the windows of my neighbourhood, besides my own. I have never considered myself to be living in an area that gives much thought to such things. I am glad to be wrong.
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Post by questa on Jan 9, 2015 0:08:21 GMT
With people from countries all around the world declaring "je suis Charlie" I think it would be good if they could use their own languages as well. This would signify it is not only the French press that should be free to speak, but the concept of Charlie is global.
My Indonesian friends and those daring to speak out in the Republic of Indonesia would say
Aku Charlie
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Post by lagatta on Jan 9, 2015 0:49:47 GMT
Well, obviously the signs here are in French (even if the people putting them in their windows are of other mother tongues). I walked past a big one on a snowy front steps (like a balcony, but on the ground floor) today. The divide on whether or not to publish has been on language lines, sad to say. All the French-language media has published Charlie Hebdo material; all the English-language media has declined: this includes the English and French services of the public broadcaster CBC/Radio-Canada. The only comic relief in this horrible story has been one of the alleged gunmen losing his ID card in the car they hijacked... Here is a backstory in Le Monde: www.lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2015/01/08/charlie-de-menaces-en-fatwas_4551749_1653578.html
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Post by questa on Jan 9, 2015 2:39:36 GMT
Lagatta...The same thing happened when the Bali Bomb occurred.ID card found in getaway car! D'oh.
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Post by lugg on Jan 9, 2015 7:56:32 GMT
Thanks for posting the photos K2. I guess that there was always going to be a variety of reactions but I am with and heartened by the shows of solidarity and outrage at this terrorist atrocity.
this was on the BBC and as some of you cant see BBC links I have found it on You Tube
Hopefully this one will play
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Post by bjd on Jan 9, 2015 8:00:32 GMT
I saw a picture of signs held up in Spain saying Yo Soy Charlie but I think that holding up signs in French are more apt in the sense that the massacre at Charlie Hebdo's offices was a symbolic attack on free speech and freedom of expression in any language.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 11:30:42 GMT
Well, the killers are now holed up in a printing plant (appropriate?) with a hostage, so it looks like we are heading for the climax.
Meanwhile in Paris, we are back to bags being verified before entering big stores and at least triple the number of security staff standing around everywhere. At the movies this morning, just before the film started, we had a "Je suis Charlie" screen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 11:48:56 GMT
Unfortunately, the killer of the policewoman yesterday has now been linked to the other terrorists, and he is still at large.
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Post by bjd on Jan 9, 2015 12:01:35 GMT
I was watching the live coverage on France 24 -- right now they are just repeating the same things over and over again with a bit of commentary where they can. I can understand how tough it is for the journalists to try to keep people interested while it's at a bit of a standstill.
As for the Montrouge shooting on Thursday morning, apparently the suspect was part of the same Buttes Chaumont jihadi group as the brothers, but there is no proof that the actions were linked.
Just now I hear they made phone contact with the killers who claim they want to die as martyrs. But, as a journalist said, why not just stay in Paris and shoot it out with the police if that was their hope.
I think all those cops as well as the killers are running on adrenalin right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 12:27:36 GMT
The Montrouge killer has apparently just taken people hostage in a kosher grocery at Porte de Vincennes after a shootout 20 minutes ago.
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Post by bjd on Jan 9, 2015 12:51:16 GMT
I'm watching it live on FR24 right now. I know the area well and it's odd to see the perif stopped on one side and empty on the other, full of police. They are confirming that it's the same guy.
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