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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 7, 2020 20:59:46 GMT
Because you think they would be able to stop that? You don't understand that the corporations all have the government by the balls?
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Post by Kimby on Feb 7, 2020 22:21:11 GMT
If the most progressive plan were implemented tomorrow, I doubt seriously that the yearly cost to the taxpayers would even come close to what they're currently forking out to the medical insurance mafia. Being “right” doesn’t mean your viewpoint will win out. You have to anticipate how a MAJORITY of voters in states with 270 electoral college votes will vote. That’s ALL that matters. Those who hold out on principle get 4 more years of Trump. And worse, the rest of us do, too.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 7, 2020 22:34:14 GMT
I actually fear that after Hillary lost with a 3 million vote advance, the next Democrat could lose even with a 5 million vote advance. The electoral college is so fucked up and there is such a rift between the rural states and the population centres in the East and West (we have all seen Trump's favourite "red" map which is totally accurate), that even if California and New York (and those other 'leftist' little places) vote 80% for the Democratic candidate, Trump can still win.
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Post by Kimby on Feb 8, 2020 1:40:18 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 8, 2020 3:50:59 GMT
And you are quoting Fox news to make what kind of a point? Are you losing your damn mind?
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Post by Kimby on Feb 8, 2020 4:03:05 GMT
James Carville is a Democrat. Or was, last I checked. Though being married to Mary Matalin makes his sanity suspect.
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Post by Kimby on Feb 8, 2020 4:12:38 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Feb 8, 2020 6:10:59 GMT
Too many people seem to think that they can get more more more for the same price. In France, people are screaming for more police, more health care, earlier retirement, cleaner street, etc., but when you ask them how they want to pay for it, they don't want to pay anything. I suspect that it is the same in most other countries. I am probably one of the only people who doesn't find the term "tax and spend Democrats" to be a horrible insult. Same in the UK, of course, and has been for a long time: at the moment, the long squeeze on public spending has produced a change of mood against fiscal austerity that Johnson's government is trying to ride, but till we see the new budget proposals we don't know just how that will pan out. In 2017, Labour's more modest shift in that direction played out a bit better for them than expected, but at this last election, they were scattering so many new commitments that the voters didn't find it credible. I did check once and found that in the 1945 election (that led to the decisive construction of the Welfare State), the manifestoes included not one single costing or estimate of tax implications. It was all stated as very general principles, for all the major parties. It wasn't until the late 50s/early 60s that you start to see actual figures being quoted at elections, and nowadays it's more or less expected that an election manifesto should come with a detailed draft budget attached. You're not alone in the "tax and spend" camp, Kerouac, by the way.
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 8, 2020 17:01:30 GMT
James Carville is a Democrat. So are any number of people. Obviously Fox News chose to showcase Carville in order to push their own message, particularly as it comes to loaded issues beloved of conservatives. If -- and it's a big if, considering it's from Fox News -- Carville actually said those things, he needs to change the D on his voter registration card and to stop calling himself a liberal. Here is an interesting opinion piece, which addresses your practical concerns in a thoughtful way. And embedded in the article is proof, as though we need more, of the chilling inclination of some members of the DNC to ignore the wishes of voters. everyone needs to back whomever is chosen. Absolutely!!!!!
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Post by questa on Feb 9, 2020 0:23:20 GMT
nowadays it's more or less expected that an election manifesto should come with a detailed draft budget attached.[/quo] Does your draft budget have a draft budget for all the mistakes made in construction, bridges cracking up, lack of materials, industrial unrest, changes in plans and specifications half way through...... Sydney Opera House, years over time and six million pounds went to one hundred million pounds. Fortunately it was funded by a super lottery for most part.
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Post by lagatta on Feb 9, 2020 2:26:00 GMT
That is fortunate, as Sydney is famous the world over for it.
One thing that should be kept in mind is that it can be far dearer to neglect necessary social, environmental etc spending than to fund it.
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Post by Kimby on Feb 9, 2020 11:09:57 GMT
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Post by Kimby on Feb 9, 2020 11:29:59 GMT
How bout the quizzes that help you determine which candidate’s platform most closely aligns with your views? I was surprised in 2016 that, of the Republicans, Jeb Bush had the most in common with me. This year, among the (remaining) Democrats, it was a 7-way tie. 50-50 agreement with each one. EXCEPT Michael Bloomberg was 60-40. Probably because I didn’t disagree with the statement “It’s OK to be a billionaire.” But that’s a pretty dumb question for this type of poll. Here’s a much better quiz. Very comprehensive on issues domestic and foreign. Felt like taking the SAT. Besides yes and no, there are other options for most questions that refine the choices (“yes, but....”. Or “No, and...”) plus links to more info on the topic. www.isidewith.com/political-quizI was not surprised that Amy Klobuchar was in my top 5, but rather surprised Joe Biden was not. Tom Steyer (who?) came out on top, followed by Amy, Mayor Pete, Tulsi Gabbard (WTH?) and bixa’s favorite Bernie at #5. Not sure how scientific the poll is, but it helps you decide how you feel about some of the many issues facing us.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 9, 2020 11:41:52 GMT
I ended up with Buttigieg at 94%, Sanders at 92%, Warren at 91%, Steyer at 89% and Klobuchar at 85%. I have no idea who Steyer is.
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 9, 2020 12:02:05 GMT
He’ll be there right to the end. He’s a Steyer.
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Post by htmb on Feb 9, 2020 14:01:10 GMT
Interesting survey. My top five were: Steyer, Sanders, Klobuchar, Warren, Buddigieg. I certainly would never vote for Steyer in a primary election.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 9, 2020 14:34:04 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Feb 9, 2020 18:39:43 GMT
Does your draft budget have a draft budget for all the mistakes made in construction, bridges cracking up, lack of materials, industrial unrest, changes in plans and specifications half way through...... That's what election debates risk descending into, of course, but all parties know they can be vulnerable. And any big infrastructure investment is likely to take much more time and money than estimated, just line all those house renovation programmes on TV where they all say they'll be "in by Christmas" but we all know they won't.
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 9, 2020 18:47:16 GMT
(Good one, Mick! ) Thanks for that second quiz, Kimby, which is the only one I've taken. I mostly didn't bother clicking on how important each issue was to me except in the cases where it was "most". I doubt it skewed my results that much. What may have skewed everyones results was the box where we were to click on qualities important in a candidate. All of the qualities listed were positive, although I didn't click all of them. Unsurprisingly, my top choice is still Bernie, but followed closely by Buttigieg (a surprise), and somewhat less closely by Warren. Anyway, my thoughts are now an open book: www.isidewith.com/profile/4139716245/partiesFor laughs, some of you may want to look at this quiz from long, long ago -- back in the first administration of Obama & when normal people scoffed at the very idea of Trump ever being president: anyportinastorm.proboards.com/thread/4323/liberal-conservative
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 9, 2020 23:34:52 GMT
Going back to Iowa (who remembers that?), here is the final tally of delegates:
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Post by Kimby on Feb 11, 2020 1:54:17 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 11, 2020 4:21:51 GMT
Ha ~ saw that earlier, Kimby, as Fumobici posted it in American Elections Can Be Funny. There are amusing bits in the piece, but I'm not a fan of that kind of journalism, if that's what it is, because I come away not having learned much.
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Post by casimira on Feb 11, 2020 17:12:59 GMT
A different kind of chaos in New Hampshire.
Depending of course which news outlet you listen to it's a virtual toss up.
One thing seems fairly certain and that is that Biden doesn't seem to have "a prayer".
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 11, 2020 18:08:30 GMT
I suppose he is hoping that he will do better in a state with more ethnic diversity. But yes, there is absolutely no hope for his political future.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 12, 2020 16:15:33 GMT
Particularly for non Americans (or those of us who have been out of the loop forever), here are the dates for which to watch in the near future.
22 February -- Nevada caucus. Need I say more?
29 February -- South Carolina primary. The first ethnically diverse state to be consulted.
3 March -- one of the "Super Tuesdays" with primaries in Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont and Virginia. This one should make tendencies very clear… or extremely confusing.
And the other primaries and caucuses will drag on until June anyway.
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Post by Kimby on Feb 12, 2020 16:36:24 GMT
Biden, unfortunately, passed on his best opportunity - which was 2016 - because his family was still healing from the death of his son.
What a difference 4 years has made in his electability.
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Post by casimira on Feb 12, 2020 16:38:10 GMT
The primary in Louisiana is March 3rd.
New Orleans Parish is the only BLUE Parish in the whole state.
The rest of the state is RED RED RED and T. (NOT my husband, but, you know who) has made several trips to the state over the past 6 months.
(Even without his visits here he would still take the state.)
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Post by Kimby on Feb 12, 2020 16:49:16 GMT
Similar to Montana. Missoula is a blue island in a Red Sea.
And our primary isn’t till June 2nd. Practically the last date for primaries. So our votes come long after the field has winnowed to one.
In a normal year. It’s possible we won’t settle on a nominee till the convention this year.
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Post by Kimby on Feb 12, 2020 17:28:59 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 12, 2020 17:58:32 GMT
The rest of the state is RED RED REDYeah, and that little shit John Kennedy is one of Dump's prime enablers.
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