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Post by htmb on Mar 12, 2016 3:55:57 GMT
I suspect, after the events in Chicago tonight, the divide between Trump supporters and everyone else will have become even greater.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 12, 2016 4:01:17 GMT
Does this remind you at all of when the Rolling Stones hired the Hell's Angels as security at Altamont?
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Post by lagatta on Mar 12, 2016 9:49:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 17:48:18 GMT
A playwright friend of mine is having his new work premiere at Seattle's ACT theatre this year. It's called Daisy and it's about the Goldwater campaign. He showed us this ad which played in 1964 (by the way, Sean has recently interviewed the actor who performed in this ad, a Republican himself).
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Post by lagatta on Mar 12, 2016 20:27:59 GMT
Other things that are jarring are - of course the smoking on-screen, all the references to "men", "guys" etc, just assuming that all the entourage is male by definition, and of course the much, much slower development of the line of argument, which we might see in a play nowadays, but never during a TV clip.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 23, 2016 16:24:16 GMT
Jerk of the week: Jann Wenner
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 24, 2016 3:42:59 GMT
Does anyone else use the US version of yahoo email? Now, when I clear my spam folder, I get a little video featuring a Trump supporter. It's as though yahoo didn't understand that I already hated it and didn't need the flame fanned.
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 24, 2016 7:06:31 GMT
I get a video of "Who's really voting for Trump".
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Post by lagatta on Mar 24, 2016 9:20:34 GMT
I had to google Jann Wenner and have no idea what on earth he did... There are so many jerks worldwide.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 13:59:44 GMT
Likewise LaGatta.
(I was on an e-mail list for David Vitter. Not just when he was running for office but a monthly newsletter. It took forever for me to get it and him eradicated from my life.)
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 24, 2016 14:52:49 GMT
Interesting that Mark is getting Trump crap, too. Probably part of Trump's ultimate plan for global dictatorship. re: Jann Wenner -- he/Rolling Stone is supporting Clinton essentially because he thinks Sanders is not electable. "We worked furiously for McGovern. We failed; Nixon was re-elected in a landslide," Wenner writes of 1972. "But those of us there learned a very clear lesson: America chooses its presidents from the middle, not from the ideological wings. We are faced with that decision again." sourceYet another of the "if you're not part of the solution, etc." generation who has gone over to the dark side.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 24, 2016 19:29:35 GMT
I think Sanders is doing remarkably well. I doubt he'll win the nomination, but I think this movement will have an impact. I know I don't live in the US, but actually I live closer to Burlington VT than most of those here who do... We are 151km apart. Montréal is the closest large city to little Burlington, closer than Boston and certainly NYC. Burlington is a nice little city, very "natural and counter-culture", but strikingly "whitebread" in comparison to here. I like this story about them welcoming refugees: www.wptz.com/news/gov-peter-shumlin-welcomes-refugees-to-vermont/36633200 Obviously they have to be very careful not to let any Daesh characters sneak in with the Syrians fleeing them, but if they welcome mostly families, that shouldn't be too hard to block.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 24, 2016 19:53:55 GMT
Rolling Stone is supporting Clinton essentially because he thinks Sanders is not electable. "We worked furiously for McGovern. We failed; Nixon was re-elected in a landslide," Wenner writes of 1972. "But those of us there learned a very clear lesson: America chooses its presidents from the middle, not from the ideological wings. We are faced with that decision again." sourceYet another of the "if you're not part of the solution, etc." generation who has gone over to the dark side. McGovern was my first vote. The young are idealistic, and Bernie Sanders appeals to idealists. After losing to terrible candidates put up by the opposition party, we learn to temper our idealism with pragmatism. Much as I like what Bernie has to say, I feel Hillary has a better chance of winning the general election, and that's the one that matters. At least Hillary has been shifted a bit by Bernie's campaign.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 24, 2016 20:29:09 GMT
No, Kimby -- Sanders appeals to many of us with the simple intelligence to look around and see how the American people are so brainwashed they no longer demand what people in other first world countries understand as their rights as taxpayers and as citizens who want a decent life for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 20:41:38 GMT
I think he appeals to both. Let's hope there are enough of them together to get him elected.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 24, 2016 20:51:05 GMT
Bixa, for most of its history, America has not done things the way other countries do them. Tell Americans they should do something the way the Europeans, or even Canadians, do it, and we (collectively) get our backs up. We're so enamored of our exceptional-ness, that we hurt ourselves trying to maintain our distance from "lesser" nations. Makes no sense. But rational arguments go nowhere with many 'Merkins nowadays.
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Post by fumobici on Mar 25, 2016 15:02:57 GMT
Except it's clear from the polling she doesn't have the better chance. Independents are larger than either party and are the swing demographic now, and almost nobody in that group will vote for Clinton. The Democrats, by choosing Clinton with her sky high negatives and lack of appeal outside the core tribal partisans are setting themselves, the country and indeed the world up for four years of President Trump. Clinton is indeed about the only imaginable Democratic candidate that could actually lose to Trump. Also there's no future for a Clinton led party, her appeal is almost exclusively with elderly voters, almost nobody under 30 would touch her with a bargepole. The Clinton base is a dying, dead end demographic.
The Democratic establishment aren't stupid, I think they have seen the polling data and are well aware of this. I think they'd rather lose with Clinton than win with Sanders--for pretty obvious reasons of self interest. A Trump win will see most of them keep their positions and influence within the party machine, whereas a Sanders win threatens their positions and very livelihoods within the DP machine.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 25, 2016 15:08:31 GMT
Thanks for that, Fumobici. I found the speciousness of Kimby's party-line response too infuriating to reply to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 18:00:10 GMT
I am thoroughly confused about political party distinctions. Here in Louisiana, there is no such thing as being a registered "Independent". You are either a registered Democrat or Republican which means that one who is not registered as either cannot cast a vote in the primary. The voter registration card and register at the polling place says "NONE" if not officially registered either Democrat or Republican. Therefore, many, many voters could not cast their vote either way party wise unless registered with one or the other.
Subsequently, this gave Clinton a huge advantage because although Sanders may have got a large popular vote, Clinton gained a huge number of delegates. It's a really f'd up system.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 25, 2016 23:32:19 GMT
Thanks for that, Fumobici. I found the speciousness of Kimby's party-line response too infuriating to reply to. "Specious" is something I don't think I've ever been called before. My sense, as a consumer of network news and PBS news, is that the media is losing its fascination with Bernie and bonding behind Hillary, after flirting shamelessly with Bernie for months in a quest for edginess = ratings. Based on the 2008 election when Obama beat Hillary for the Democratic nomination - and my staunch Republican in-laws said they hoped Hillary won because they felt the Dems were going to win that election - I'm thinking some Republicans would vote Hillary this time over Trump, if he's the nominee. Hillary should capitalize on her distant past as a young idealist, and try to consolidate the liberal vote. Though she is supported by big money, she isn't necessarily OWNED by them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 13:34:50 GMT
I don't know your source Kimby but Hillary Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl". (I just this morning heard an interview with her and heard those words come out of her mouth). Somehow I don't associate idealism with Barry Goldwater.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 14:58:51 GMT
There are more and more articles (even in the French press) about the similarities between Donald Trump and Andrew Jackson. Have people changed in almost 200 years or are they still the same? Here is short version of the issue, but it is easy to find longer analyses if desired: Is Donald Trump another Andrew Jackson?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 15:34:03 GMT
Didn't really know what category to put this in. Funny? Serious?
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Post by lagatta on Apr 20, 2016 18:46:39 GMT
I'm very glum today about the NY primary, or caucus. (Sorry if I'm not up on the fine details of the US party system).
I suppose a Bernie victory is too much to hope for, but it would have been a lift. Also for microlocal reasons. Burlington Vt is 117km or 73 miles SSE of Mtl...
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Post by Kimby on Apr 21, 2016 1:06:21 GMT
If Independents were allowed to vote in NY, Bernie WOULD have won.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 4:20:40 GMT
The rest of the world has a bit of difficulty understanding the American primary system with all of its variations from state to state.
France had its first primary in 2012 (or maybe late 2011) to choose the Socialist candidate. The only obligation to participate was to be a registered voter and to make a contribution of one euro, which purportedly ensured that you subscribed to the values of the party.
For the next presidential election in 2017, people are demanding primaries for both the right and left using the same system. In any case, the political parties in France have very few members and there is no such thing as party registration for voters. People just don't want the parties to do the "smoke filled room" trick ever again.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 21, 2016 11:42:28 GMT
Les éléphants!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 17:33:15 GMT
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Post by htmb on Jul 24, 2016 18:32:47 GMT
Dismayed by Trump, Michael Bloomberg to endorse Clinton at Democratic ConventionThe news is an unexpected move from Mr. Bloomberg, who has not been a member of the Democratic Party since 2000; was elected the mayor of New York City as a Republican; and later became an independent. But it reflects Mr. Bloomberg’s increasing dismay about the rise of Donald J. Trump and a determination to see that the Republican nominee is defeated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 11:15:07 GMT
So happy that political ads are forbidden here.
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