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Brexit
Feb 22, 2020 18:34:00 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Feb 22, 2020 18:34:00 GMT
Surely most people who wanted Brexit must not have thought through the ramifications. It's tempting to say it serves them right, but their votes are harming the whole other half of the country who voted intelligently.
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Brexit
Feb 22, 2020 19:27:32 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Feb 22, 2020 19:27:32 GMT
Many people are extremely simplistic in their reasoning. (Even we intelligent people are at certain times.)
"We don't need the EU agricultural policy. We'll just eat our own fruits and vegetables." "The fishermen will finally be able to sell us their fish at a good price."
And so forth and so on. Of course to reach such simplistic conclusions, we are generally fed fake news by political leaders to help put us to sleep.
However, I don't think that the farmers of the UK will fare badly if the UK consumers are willing to pay double for what they eat.
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Brexit
Feb 22, 2020 21:13:43 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 22, 2020 21:13:43 GMT
My BiL (the farmer) voted Remain I think that my sister thought that Nigel Farage would personally pay the subsidies...I also think that a lot of the leave voters think that the '£360 million' GB was 'paying the EU' (ffs...what were they THINKING?) would suddenly become available. Do I sound bitter? Sorry (not sorry)
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Mar 19, 2020 14:10:43 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 19, 2020 14:10:43 GMT
If I have understood the news reports correctly, it is looking like the final separation scheduled for December 2020 is likely to be delayed again. It is unimaginable that all of the plans for Brexit could have gone any more wrong.
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Brexit
Mar 19, 2020 14:41:43 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 19, 2020 14:41:43 GMT
You're not wrong Kerouac
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Mar 19, 2020 16:19:45 GMT
Post by bjd on Mar 19, 2020 16:19:45 GMT
I just saw that EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has Covid19, so meetings will be delayed. If they are holding meetings at all these days.
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Brexit
Apr 5, 2020 20:59:14 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 5, 2020 20:59:14 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has gone (hooray).
Keir Starmer takes over.
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Apr 16, 2020 19:54:43 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 16, 2020 19:54:43 GMT
Watching Sky News tonight, I see that the UK is flying in Romanian crop pickers at the moment on charter flights to save some of the crops. The unemployed British refuse to do the work. I certainly hope that somebody puts a stop to this. We need those Romanians to pick our crops in France.
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Brexit
Apr 17, 2020 5:20:03 GMT
Post by fumobici on Apr 17, 2020 5:20:03 GMT
I picked tomatoes and apples professionally and *nobody* is lazier than i am. Those limeys can do it, anyone can. They just need a bigger paycheck for motivation.
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Brexit
Apr 17, 2020 11:44:39 GMT
Post by lugg on Apr 17, 2020 11:44:39 GMT
Those who voted remain , including myself are quite delighted and downright amused at this news. I do wonder how they will maintain social distancing though and hope they wont be put at risk.
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Jul 25, 2020 15:06:32 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Jul 25, 2020 15:06:32 GMT
I just read an article on CNN saying Scotland separatists were gaining ground. I must say that it amuses me enormously and i wonder how Bojo who made his political career on destroying the union with Europe will tell them they should not destroy the union with England. . The next step being Scotland rejoining EU. that day, i will have Champagne.
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Brexit
Jul 25, 2020 15:13:36 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Jul 25, 2020 15:13:36 GMT
And not Belgian beer and frites?
I don't think that Scotland will dare to leave to UK any time soon. Too much common history and too much mixing of the various nations. At the same time it is true that it would be very interesting to see someone who was determined to break with the EU justifying a refusal to let one of the UK nations break away from the UK. I know that the northern Irish are getting a few ideas as well.
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Jul 25, 2020 15:57:03 GMT
Post by bjd on Jul 25, 2020 15:57:03 GMT
For now the problem for Scotland is that they have to get Johnson's government to agree to let them have a referendum about independence. I don't know would happen if they went ahead and held one without London's permission. But I too have seen that the independence side is at 55% approval right now.
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Jul 25, 2020 16:50:57 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Jul 25, 2020 16:50:57 GMT
I think that it's inevitable considering the ineptitude of Westminster over the past 20 years. Nicola Sturgeon wasn't hugely popular with the majority of the Scottish voters of my acquaintance...until Brexit and coronovirus rammed home the benefits of escaping the lunacy of Westminster's morons.
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Jul 26, 2020 5:48:56 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Jul 26, 2020 5:48:56 GMT
😁 Moron is one of favorite words in english.
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Jul 26, 2020 14:49:28 GMT
Post by fumobici on Jul 26, 2020 14:49:28 GMT
The biggest issue for Scottish independence—and it's one there is no fix for—is the question of currency. In the last referendum it was breezily glossed over as if it were a detail to be ironed out later, suggestions were made that they could just keep using the GBP or join the EuroZone, but neither of those are viable options in reality and the question of currency is central to both sovereignty and government.
Until those proposing independence get serious and address the currency issue, I don't think they can be taken seriously, either intellectually or politically. As it stands they are naive, poorly informed, and unfit for the task they propose.
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Brexit
Jul 26, 2020 15:37:14 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Jul 26, 2020 15:37:14 GMT
All new EU members are required to adopt the euro as their currency, so this will be a major sticking point for Scotland.
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Jul 26, 2020 17:23:45 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Jul 26, 2020 17:23:45 GMT
Pinched off fb
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Jul 26, 2020 22:06:39 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Jul 26, 2020 22:06:39 GMT
Remorseful Rat.
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Jul 27, 2020 1:04:21 GMT
Post by questa on Jul 27, 2020 1:04:21 GMT
I don't think they can be taken seriously, either intellectually or politically. As it stands they are naive, poorly informed, and unfit for the task they propose. Doesn't this fit the job description for all politicians? everywhere?
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Jul 27, 2020 6:09:09 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Jul 27, 2020 6:09:09 GMT
Cheery, funny as it is, it is the type of 'information' that carries with it a misleading message. You look at the picture and immediately believe that the UK has no native cheeses in relation to Europe. The poor little mouse looks all forlorn and surprised about what he just has left to eat once leaving the EU. One sad looking little piece of cheese. Immediately people believe this but it is an out and out lie. Britain itself has at least, and numbers vary, but at least 700, maybe 750 or more, varieties of cheese registered that is produced in large and small quantities throughout the country. As far as I can tell without going into it further and I will stand corrected, Britain surpassed France quite a few years ago and now is the country that makes more varieties of 'home grown' cheese than any other in the world. I understand there is a bigger message there but if the original message is based on false information, then the bigger message in this case must also be flawed.
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Jul 27, 2020 6:28:07 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Jul 27, 2020 6:28:07 GMT
I don't think that the post was at all about cheese. They could have also put a rabbit with a lettuce leaf compared to a cornucopia of vegetables.
But it's funny to see what gets some people's back up. For example, people can insult France all they want -- the food, the people, the politics, etc. -- and I don't give a flying fuck if they are from out of the country.
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Jul 27, 2020 7:22:28 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Jul 27, 2020 7:22:28 GMT
Mark...its not about cheese. Nobody can deny that the UK has lots of lovely cheeses.
We are rapidly becoming the Billy-no-mates of the world anyway. Our own fault.
Kerouac yes. I think that the British are very rude about other Europeans..they dont really regard the UK as being part of Europe, despite the geography! Brits are scared of the French and often feel inferior to their sophisticated neighbour. However, just about every woman I know would have given her eye teeth to be proposed to in Paris. My SiL is from Mauriac...I was terrified of her when we first met because I felt like a great clumsy oaf next to her. Everything about the French seems to me to be stylish and exotic...when I went to my nephew's wedding all the French guests stood out like film stars. They were lovely btw.
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Jul 27, 2020 12:41:16 GMT
Post by monetsmum on Jul 27, 2020 12:41:16 GMT
Got it in one Cheery!!
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Jul 27, 2020 15:31:55 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Jul 27, 2020 15:31:55 GMT
Funny Cheery. I have exactly the same impression, but reversed. English people so flegmatic, with a great sense of humor and a capability to discuss about everything. Plus a country of contrasts, with polite and educated people - look hiw they queue for the bus, then drunkards on friday, hooligans in stadiums and punks on hhe streets. So fascinating compared to pale French. I guess we all like what is in our neighbours plate...
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Aug 4, 2020 8:06:23 GMT
Post by bjd on Aug 4, 2020 8:06:23 GMT
"The number of British nationals emigrating to other EU countries has risen by 30% since the Brexit referendum, to a level akin to a country experiencing “economic or political crisis”, experts have found. Analysis of data from the OECD and Eurostat shows the number leaving was 73,642 a year in 2016-18, with a 500% increase in those who then took up citizenship in an EU state. In Germany’s case 31,600 Britons have naturalised since the referendum – a 2,000% rise. The biggest jump in migration has been to Spain, followed by France.
The withdrawal agreement signed in January enshrines residency, work and social rights of EU citizens in the UK and Britons in the bloc, but failed to guarantee the free movement rights of British migrants – restricting future employment and residency prospects in other member states. Unless British nationals take out citizenship in their host country, they can no longer work in or offer a service to another EU member state, impacting professions including accounting, law, architecture, translation and health."
From today's Independent.
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Brexit
Sept 13, 2020 15:49:00 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Sept 13, 2020 15:49:00 GMT
Did anybody follow recently ? Bojo wants to renegociate parts of the deal he already signed.... Which is very bad for the credibility of UK, if you cannot abide by what you sign, why do you sign ? And, he is stonewalling negotiations. A hard brexit with no deal end of jan is being flagged in front of everyone. Will not be helping economies. My british friends, buy toilet paper for some months in case the trucks spend days at the border.
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Brexit
Sept 13, 2020 16:11:41 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Sept 13, 2020 16:11:41 GMT
I think he has been inspired by by his friend, the POTUS. "Be as outrageous as possible and people will love it."
One thing that confuses me is the fishing rights. Obviously there are some changes that need to be made, but what is really confusing is that 80% of British seafood is exported to the EU because it is items that they don't eat. And 70% of the seafood eaten in the UK is imported from the EU. There must be some way to correct this.
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Sept 13, 2020 16:22:35 GMT
Post by bjd on Sept 13, 2020 16:22:35 GMT
All the news commentary I have read or heard has mentioned the UK's going back on the agreement they signed last year. General opinion is that the UK lost a lot of international trust. Even the politician who announced it in the House of Commons said it was illegal under international law.
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Brexit
Sept 13, 2020 16:24:33 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Sept 13, 2020 16:24:33 GMT
But the United States has proven that you can flout international law and nothing will happen.
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